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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 15, 2019 6:54:48 GMT
If you just want armor cracking, something like this is at least worth a try. You can tweak from here. FWIW her feat buffs impact attacks too. conflictchamber.com/#c1101b_-0efN9G9Hakanaj9caodhadada5a6Cygnar Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm Division [Maddox 1] Major Beth Maddox [+30] - Ironclad [12] - Stormclad [18] - Squire [0(5)] Captain Arlan Strangewayes [0(4)] Journeyman Warcaster [4] - Firefly [8] Major Katherine Laddermore [8] Stormblade Captain [0(5)] Storm Lances (max) [20] Storm Lances (max) [20] Stormblade Infantry [10] - Stormblade Infantry Officer & Standard [5] I don't think support bloat is a huge problem here as most of these solos can still fight. Or if you'd rather have a third heavy: conflictchamber.com/#c1101b_-0efN9G9G9Hak7janaj9caoadadCygnar Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm Division [Maddox 1] Major Beth Maddox [+30] - Ironclad [12] - Ironclad [12] - Stormclad [18] - Squire [0(5)] Anastasia di Bray [3] Captain Arlan Strangewayes [0(4)] Journeyman Warcaster [4] - Firefly [8] Major Katherine Laddermore [8] Storm Lances (max) [20] Storm Lances (max) [20] Or you could just put her in Heavy Metal.
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cain
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Post by cain on Jan 15, 2019 7:32:45 GMT
I see few reasons to take Maddox over stryker2 and siege2. But otherwise Its a pretty normal storm division list. Probably want piper.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 15, 2019 8:08:42 GMT
If you just want armor cracking, something like this is at least worth a try. You can tweak from here. FWIW her feat buffs impact attacks too. conflictchamber.com/#c1101b_-0efN9G9Hakanaj9caodhadada5a6Cygnar Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm Division [Maddox 1] Major Beth Maddox [+30] - Ironclad [12] - Stormclad [18] - Squire [0(5)] Captain Arlan Strangewayes [0(4)] Journeyman Warcaster [4] - Firefly [8] Major Katherine Laddermore [8] Stormblade Captain [0(5)] Storm Lances (max) [20] Storm Lances (max) [20] Stormblade Infantry [10] - Stormblade Infantry Officer & Standard [5] I don't think support bloat is a huge problem here as most of these solos can still fight. Or if you'd rather have a third heavy: conflictchamber.com/#c1101b_-0efN9G9G9Hak7janaj9caoadadCygnar Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm Division [Maddox 1] Major Beth Maddox [+30] - Ironclad [12] - Ironclad [12] - Stormclad [18] - Squire [0(5)] Anastasia di Bray [3] Captain Arlan Strangewayes [0(4)] Journeyman Warcaster [4] - Firefly [8] Major Katherine Laddermore [8] Storm Lances (max) [20] Storm Lances (max) [20] Or you could just put her in Heavy Metal. In a meta were people are teching for Chosen, and upkeep removal or blessed is so prevalent, Storm Lances dontvstand a chance
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Post by Aegis on Jan 15, 2019 10:21:02 GMT
Genuine question from a Khador player: What's changed for Cygnar? Why are they struggling lately? Honestly curious to know. Cheers, Dave Basically, since gunlines (and mainly Cygnar gunlines) were the top complain at the beginning of MK3, the whole game has changed to make guns weaker. Almost any faction got Theme Forces that either raised their Armor against guns or gave them tons of cheap Shield Guards or gave them Cloud Walls, and the new SteamRollers include terrain rules and scenarios that strongly disadvantage gunlines. New pieces of the last 2 years featured tons of gun hate, and upkeep hate was given out here and there. Meanwhile, nothing was done to help Cygnar do better without guns (if you don't like gunlines, fine, but then you should give us melee options equal to other factions), and in general Cygnar was left behind in the fear that any buff to Cygnar would have been badly received. On the top of that, our most powerful tools have been nerfed. Son of Tempest was the best attempt they made, but they started with a totally unplayable theme and improved it very cautiously for the same reason as above, ending up with a very playable theme, but that hasn't any of the big sheningans and bonuses the themes of other faction can boast. In general, almost all the benefits of our themes are way weaker than the ones of the revamped themes that had gone through CID. I don't know how Cygnar is exactly placed in the ladder now, but I'm not surprised to see it in the mid-lower tiers, since our competitive options are very limited (so it's not the top tier players fault that they are predictable, it's just that the options that can have a game against the tops of the moment are limited). More than an year ago Pagani hinted at some changes for Storm Division already being discussed internally. I think we will see Cygnar back when Storm Division gets his CID, or when (with Infernals) maybe we will have some new Morrowan options.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Jan 15, 2019 12:07:39 GMT
Forgot to come back and say thanks for the responses, so thanks all!
Interesting to hear from the other side.
Cheers, Dave
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Post by cain on Jan 15, 2019 13:58:06 GMT
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Post by cygnarstronk on Jan 15, 2019 16:44:28 GMT
That's normal, i'm not going to any tournaments right now as I don't really enjoy playing to lose. If I go to a tournament I play to win, and I can't do that using cygnar against equally skilled players. I still play casual games, but I think a lot of people are either switching faction or not going to tournaments or just stop playing entirely.
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Post by Octantis on Jan 15, 2019 21:38:11 GMT
That fact that there isn't even a mention of this on the Cygnar FB page is telling. That being said I don't see a lot of Cygnar for sale on the FB group. I'm of the opinion that people are biding their time in other factions until the pendulum swings back Cygnar's way.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 15, 2019 22:13:54 GMT
That fact that there isn't even a mention of this on the Cygnar FB page is telling. That being said I don't see a lot of Cygnar for sale on the FB group. I'm of the opinion that people are biding their time in other factions until the pendulum swings back Cygnar's way. I was considering selling my Cygnar to get Menoth, but there are so many unsold Cygnar armies in the UK trades page it was not worth it
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Post by sorokin on Jan 15, 2019 22:54:53 GMT
Honestly the largest issue facing Cygnar as a faction is "upper level" players stagnation. Upper level players are very stagnant and easy to predict. Their skill is precise and practiced, yet they stagnate on creative options choosing to play what they always have. Citation needed
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Post by onijet01 on Jan 16, 2019 1:57:19 GMT
Honestly the largest issue facing Cygnar as a faction is "upper level" players stagnation. Upper level players are very stagnant and easy to predict. Their skill is precise and practiced, yet they stagnate on creative options choosing to play what they always have. Citation needed Go look up any large tourniment streams on youtube. Look at what players are running and how they play over a 6 month period. They litterally all have the same game plan. From Russian to Polish French to Swedish i dont need to understand their languages if i watch what each player does. Dispite each game unfolding difrently you can easily tell how each player planned to both unload and use their models. The slim Cygnar showing reflects players desire to win by easiest way possible. So most as stated before in this thread ether A. No longer go to tourniments because they perceive Cygnar as a auto lost (defeatest additude) Or B. Jumping of the ship to a second more compediditive faction (based off a meta) Its really just about research and thats why i say upper tier players vs pro. As i feel pro players are flexible and always experimenting, upper tier players simply practice a meta list and copy pro play styles.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 16, 2019 5:56:33 GMT
It's easy to be cynical, especially about faction stereotypes, but I do have to wonder how much of this is Cygnar really being in a bad spot as opposed to Cygnar players not knowing what to do when they are not dominant. I think it's some of both. On one hand, there really is a vocal minority of players who honestly believe that Cryx and Cygnar are literally supposed to be stronger than the other factions and get very upset when they're not. On the other, Pat Dunford has been playing Crucible Guard, for at least a month IIRC.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 16, 2019 7:14:51 GMT
onijet01 if it is the case that Cygnar is fine, and there is a magical list pair out there that players have just not realised yet. Please be so kind as to suggest what this list pairing may be, I would love to give it a go
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Post by streetpizza on Jan 16, 2019 15:35:12 GMT
onijet01 if it is the case that Cygnar is fine, and there is a magical list pair out there that players have just not realised yet. Please be so kind as to suggest what this list pairing may be, I would love to give it a go Jakes2/Sturgis1 for 2019. Predicting it now.
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Post by josephkerr on Jan 16, 2019 19:02:11 GMT
what did you expect we are the worst faction in the game, it's not even worth going to a tournament now Being “the worst faction in the game” (tm) constantly exists for someone. In mk2, minions occasionally took tournaments despite being less than half a real faction and the power disparity in mk2 being significantly greater than it is in mk3, so I kinda dont agree with your logic that “worst faction” means “autoloss.” Its still a dice game and you dont play against computers so u can rely on 95% of your opponents making mistakes. If being less likely to win bothers you, sure switch factions and ignore cygnar. But you can go to a tournament, have fun, and win, even with Cygnar. Cygnars current win rate is a combination of people not having success and other gamers jumping ship to play more powerful factions, singnificantly reducing what used to be one of the largest sample sizes in WarmaHordes. Cygnar is not CID incapable of having a good showing at a tournament, and I say this as someone playing Legion all of mk3 and having some success even before CID significantly improved the faction. If all 64 players go to a tournament with winning as their criteria for fun, then one person has a great time and 63 people are total suckers.
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