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Post by jagius021 on Jan 9, 2019 16:55:56 GMT
So I just got my two Nacho Supreme Guardians (pics eventually on the conversion) in the mail today and have been running through all the possibilities of these bad boys. Or girls, whatever I'm not gonna assume their gender. Statuettes. So a question occurred to me. They can bring grunts back to a unit. Makeda 3 has 2 guardians with her, but these are unnamed. Can I return these to play? Is the same true for morg3?
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skormedlover87
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Post by skormedlover87 on Jan 9, 2019 17:44:29 GMT
Yes, they're grunts so yes.
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Post by granor on Jan 9, 2019 18:54:02 GMT
I think they are not grunts. The unit says makeda and two Exalted Guardians. So they are named even if the names are very generic they are named and not grunts. I would think the warlock unit line would have to say makeda and 2 grunts for them to be grunts.
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Post by jagius021 on Jan 9, 2019 19:39:06 GMT
Hmm, with that idea in mind, can goreshade 4 in ret bring back grunts from cylenna and the nyss hunters then?
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Post by granor on Jan 10, 2019 14:16:18 GMT
Well now I hope I am wrong. Is there a infernal ruling anywhere?
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Post by elladan52 on Jan 10, 2019 15:00:26 GMT
Hmm, with that idea in mind, can goreshade 4 in ret bring back grunts from cylenna and the nyss hunters then? They are called grunts on the card, so yes. |
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Post by elladan52 on Jan 10, 2019 15:04:17 GMT
Yes, they're grunts so yes. No where on the card are they called grunts so I am inclined to think they are not grunts. A check of the definition of grunt in the rulebook though should solve this question easily, but I think you need to be called a grunt on the card to be one. I don't have the rulebook handy, unfortunately. |
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Post by jagius021 on Jan 10, 2019 16:10:23 GMT
Per the rule book page 15 (PDF version, if that matters):
Unit - a unit is a group of similarly trained troopers... ... All models in a unit are troopers And every unit includes a unit commander and one or more additional troopers.
Grunt - grunts are the basic troopers of a unit.
So actually after considering what was said, I think you can recur their friends because these are not attachments to the unit and are not the unit commander (makeda would be) so that makes them grunts. Great answered my own question lol
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Post by elladan52 on Jan 10, 2019 16:14:41 GMT
Per the rule book page 15 (PDF version, if that matters): Unit - a unit is a group of similarly trained troopers... ... All models in a unit are troopers And every unit includes a unit commander and one or more additional troopers. Grunt - grunts are the basic troopers of a unit. So actually after considering what was said, I think you can recur their friends because these are not attachments to the unit and are not the unit commander (makeda would be) so that makes them grunts. Great answered my own question lol I still think they need to be called grunts for this to be true. They are not actually called grunts, so they can't be brought back. |
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Post by gordo on Jan 10, 2019 16:31:13 GMT
From what I've heard and what I think people are playing, you can bring back the rest of Exalted shield guards.
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Post by dessert hydra on Jan 10, 2019 17:26:32 GMT
Facecrack says no.. Its not official but its normally accurate
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Post by Charistoph on Jan 10, 2019 19:19:49 GMT
Per the rule book page 15 (PDF version, if that matters): Unit - a unit is a group of similarly trained troopers... ... All models in a unit are troopers And every unit includes a unit commander and one or more additional troopers. Grunt - grunts are the basic troopers of a unit. So actually after considering what was said, I think you can recur their friends because these are not attachments to the unit and are not the unit commander (makeda would be) so that makes them grunts. Great answered my own question lol I still think they need to be called grunts for this to be true. They are not actually called grunts, so they can't be brought back. Where do they need to be called Grunts? On most cards, they list the leader & Grunts along with the point cost. Warlocks, and by association Warcaster Units, do not do that, as they have Warbeast Points. Now, they are listed as Grunts when they list weapons and stats for the unit, is that the only place we look? If so, that would explain a no-go for The Exalted Court, as they are not listed as Grunts on the card there. |
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Post by granor on Jan 10, 2019 19:40:57 GMT
I assume they would need to be called grunts in the "warlock unit" rules on the card. But they are not called grunts there they are called "Exalted Guardians" so they are not "basic troopers" per the rule book because they are named and any named trooper in a unit are not "basic troopers". I could be wrong none of this stuff is ever as clear as I want it to be.
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Post by elladan52 on Jan 10, 2019 20:21:30 GMT
I still think they need to be called grunts for this to be true. They are not actually called grunts, so they can't be brought back. Where do they need to be called Grunts? On most cards, they list the leader & Grunts along with the point cost. Warlocks, and by association Warcaster Units, do not do that, as they have Warbeast Points. Now, they are listed as Grunts when they list weapons and stats for the unit, is that the only place we look? If so, that would explain a no-go for The Exalted Court, as they are not listed as Grunts on the card there. Yes, that seems like where they would need to be called out as grunts. |
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