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Post by hogridrluv on Dec 8, 2018 2:14:04 GMT
Has anyone had any luck with Stryker3, I love his character and the model but everytime I try to use him I find that another caster does the job better.
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Post by mydnight on Dec 8, 2018 3:25:29 GMT
He's okay in the trencher theme, but Siege2 seems better.
He does well with stormlances, but storm division doesn't seem that great overall at the moment.
Once storm division units get CiD he'll probably be on the radar. He likes fast and sturdy units. Cygnar is in a strange place at the moment, reminiscent of MKII again (limited competitive options).
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Post by sorokin on Dec 8, 2018 18:17:07 GMT
From what I gather he's one of those casters that are too thinly spread.
He is not necessarily bad, just everything he does another caster does better, even his own former incarnations.
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Post by darkangeldentist on Dec 8, 2018 20:05:05 GMT
I wouldn't say I've had any luck with Stryker3 but he's one of those casters I occasionally look at and wonder if there's something more there. He has a simple flaw in being focus starved however you play him. He has 3 useful upkeeps and one of them you will likely want to juggle between suitable targets. That means half his focus can be spent before you even allocate and unlike his first incarnation he's not a sit back and hide caster. His feat requires him to be in the mid-field to apply it's benefits and that causes all kinds of problems in light of his focus strain and relatively vulnerable statline. (He's on a large base and 15/16(18) before focus and escort precludes the use of arcane shield to improve his survivability.
Cygnar has other casters that can offer good damage output, accuracy and increased mobility. There's little he offers that stands out above the rest and at his heart there a contrary issue over the type of list he wants to run. Escort and iron aggression are great jack spells but he's got little focus to give and his feat's impact is much greater with lots of infantry. (Cute fact, auto-hit with additional damage dice make even gobber mechanics deadly on the charge.) Another problem is that his feat is charge dependent, quite a few things in the game flat-out deny his feat by that virtue.
All this said I have a very insane idea that I do want to try but before I expose myself to ridicule over it I want at least one game with the list. (I'm not playing much so it may take a while.)
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Post by droopingpuppy on Dec 8, 2018 21:23:25 GMT
Stryker3 is a bad caster in the most times. He has only a small amount of usable models on his arsenal, no more than an one-trick pony, and he doesn't have a niche to fit in where the others are not. He is... a mediocre Khador caster, and that's about it. At least before Brisbane2 he is the only Cygnar caster with Fury but his colonel throw away the advantage.
Well, it is hard to say that he is unplayable like Constance either, and you may make a good result with the list fit with him, but he shares the problem with Jakes2 - playable but has mediocre performance, and overshadowed by better replacements.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Dec 9, 2018 19:13:43 GMT
I had some moderate success with him in Gravediggers, it's too bad Storm Division is so pathetic as a theme atm
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Post by dwallace on Dec 13, 2018 15:09:45 GMT
I’ve been tinkering with the idea of Stryker 3 in SD, and I’ll be heading to the local shop to try him out tonight. Hopefully I can get a game or two in, and I’ll post the results tomorrow. Here’s the list I’ll be using
War Room Army
Cygnar - Stryker 3 Storm Cav
Theme: Storm Division
2 / 2 Free Cards 74 / 75 Army
Lord General Coleman Stryker - WJ: +28
- Squire - PC: 0
- Ol’ Rowdy - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18)
- Stormclad - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)
- Stormclad - PC: 18
Major Katherine Laddermore - PC: 8
- Major Katherine Laddermore (Continued)
Stormblade Captain - PC: 0
Storm Lances - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20
Storm Lances - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20
THEME: Storm Division
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GENERATED : 12/13/2018 10:07:55
BUILD ID : 2069.18-10-06
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Post by mydnight on Dec 13, 2018 21:09:25 GMT
I’ve been tinkering with the idea of Stryker 3 in SD, and I’ll be heading to the local shop to try him out tonight. Hopefully I can get a game or two in, and I’ll post the results tomorrow. Here’s the list I’ll be using War Room Army Cygnar - Stryker 3 Storm Cav Theme: Storm Division 2 / 2 Free Cards 74 / 75 Army Lord General Coleman Stryker - WJ: +28 - Squire - PC: 0 - Ol’ Rowdy - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18) - Stormclad - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Stormclad - PC: 18 Major Katherine Laddermore - PC: 8 - Major Katherine Laddermore (Continued) Stormblade Captain - PC: 0 Storm Lances - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20 Storm Lances - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20 THEME: Storm Division --- GENERATED : 12/13/2018 10:07:55 BUILD ID : 2069.18-10-06 Fun. I'd run something like that. But it gets slaughtered by any half serious shooting list or control/melee denial. I find that Stryker3 needs Jr more than others. I'd drop the second stormclad for some spammy bodies. |
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Post by bluebarren on Jan 6, 2019 22:29:54 GMT
I’ve seen him taken in HM with 2xmax swordknights. Under feat and flank they do ps10+5dice damage, each guy does like 7.5dmg to arm20. It was pretty gross.
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Post by jonwill on Jan 7, 2019 13:01:21 GMT
I ran Stryker3 for a while in Storm Division, it was rather fun, and perhaps slightly competitive it was something similar to this (not exactly the same, and I can't recall the list and seem to have deleted it from my phone) :
Cygnar Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Storm Division
[Stryker 3] Lord General Coleman Stryker [+28]
- Stormwall [39]
- Squire [0(5)]
Captain Arlan Strangewayes [0(4)]
Journeyman Warcaster [4]
- Sentinel [8]
Major Katherine Laddermore [8]
Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [4]
Storm Lances (max) [20]
Storm Lances (max) [20]
I felt like the Stormwall was important to keep Stryker safe, and also to help out with Scenario. The lack of pathfinder on many warjacks usually made me feel like I was struggling playing around scenario even with escort, so I chose something that had it innately. Speed 7 colossals are very scary for some people, and the guns means they can't play keep away forever.
Stryker however is also scared of guns, being on a large base, so I play with the sentinel to keep Stryker a bit safer from the bigger guns, he's usually benefitting from the +2 Armour from escort so that helps to keep him safe from the smaller shots. I usually found putting Arcane Shield on to the Stormwall was usually the better option until you commit it in melee, where Iron Aggression is useful.
Strangeways is there to fix the colossal if it takes damage, and provide focus to it otherwise.
Stormlances without buffs are sad but an Armour 19 colossal is a bit too squishy for my liking. I usually end up with Fury on one unit of Stormlances and the other just bare. Rhupert can hand out both concealment and pathfinder as required (usually the former until the latter is required) keeping him in range of both units is the key.
Katherin Laddermore is there to make up the points, so two 4 point solos might suit you better however I felt like it was the best way to use those 8 points left.
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Post by scarecrow on Jan 7, 2019 14:50:41 GMT
I personally prefer more bodies with Stryker3. I like the idea of the Sword Knights in Heavy Metal, but it doesn't feel that great because they don't count toward points in the theme.
I run him in Storm Division with a Strider, a min unit of Storm Lances, max Stormguard, max Silverline, Laddermore, Savio, Rhupert, Stormblade Captain Squire, Ironclad and Rowdy. The single wound infantry are definitely squishy, but they kill whatever they get to.
In a tournament recently I played him 3 times. Sadly lost all three games, all into Skorne. First game was a stupid mistake to get assassinated by Thagrosh. He used his feat to jam me. With tactician and my feat, I killed Typhon, a Neraph, an Angelius, and heavily damaged a Scythean. I didn't repo with Stryker and was in range to get slip streamed and charged, hence the loss, but the attrition was heavily in my favor.
Second game was against Rasheth Immortals. Breath of Corruption is not kind to this list, especially when the arc nodes just get revived by a Supreme Guardian. I managed to kill all three units of Immortals, but never got to the Guardian and lost on scenario with only a few models left.
Third game was the closest game I've played in a long time. Into Mordikaar Immortals. Waited out the feat, used my objective + the Strider to kill one Void Spirit, Rhupert's tough saved my bacon for the second Void Spirit and let Stryker3 cast Arcane Bolt for probably the first time ever to kill it. After that we beat each other up, ended up Stryker3 and the Stormblade Captain against Mordikaar and two infantry models. Tied on Scenario turn 7 and he won on Army Points by 3. Sadly the pre-CID theme benefit of Death Rage actually won him the game. It allowed him two free attacks to let his Archidon kill Rhupert before dying and the Krea killed the last Silverline with it's Death Rage, which is what clenched the Army Point victory for him.
While there are definitely drawbacks to two full units of Stormguard, the extra bodies really benefit from Fury and the Feat. While I did lose all three games, the only one that actually felt bad was against Rasheth. Otherwise I really like the list, and it definitely solves my frustration of not being able to do enough damage in melee.
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Post by skurkious on Jan 7, 2019 17:15:35 GMT
I personally prefer more bodies with Stryker3. I like the idea of the Sword Knights in Heavy Metal, but it doesn't feel that great because they don't count toward points in the theme. I run him in Storm Division with a Strider, a min unit of Storm Lances, max Stormguard, max Silverline, Laddermore, Savio, Rhupert, Stormblade Captain Squire, Ironclad and Rowdy. The single wound infantry are definitely squishy, but they kill whatever they get to. In a tournament recently I played him 3 times. Sadly lost all three games, all into Skorne. First game was a stupid mistake to get assassinated by Thagrosh. He used his feat to jam me. With tactician and my feat, I killed Typhon, a Neraph, an Angelius, and heavily damaged a Scythean. I didn't repo with Stryker and was in range to get slip streamed and charged, hence the loss, but the attrition was heavily in my favor. Second game was against Rasheth Immortals. Breath of Corruption is not kind to this list, especially when the arc nodes just get revived by a Supreme Guardian. I managed to kill all three units of Immortals, but never got to the Guardian and lost on scenario with only a few models left. Third game was the closest game I've played in a long time. Into Mordikaar Immortals. Waited out the feat, used my objective + the Strider to kill one Void Spirit, Rhupert's tough saved my bacon for the second Void Spirit and let Stryker3 cast Arcane Bolt for probably the first time ever to kill it. After that we beat each other up, ended up Stryker3 and the Stormblade Captain against Mordikaar and two infantry models. Tied on Scenario turn 7 and he won on Army Points by 3. Sadly the pre-CID theme benefit of Death Rage actually won him the game. It allowed him two free attacks to let his Archidon kill Rhupert before dying and the Krea killed the last Silverline with it's Death Rage, which is what clenched the Army Point victory for him. While there are definitely drawbacks to two full units of Stormguard, the extra bodies really benefit from Fury and the Feat. While I did lose all three games, the only one that actually felt bad was against Rasheth. Otherwise I really like the list, and it definitely solves my frustration of not being able to do enough damage in melee. Sorry gotta be THAT guy, Thagrosh is not Skorne! ☻ |
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Post by skurkious on Jan 7, 2019 17:18:22 GMT
I actually really like Stryker 3 in GD due to a friend of mine very successfully running him with trenchers since Mk2. The cloud wall keeps him from being shot up too soon and he makes them hit extremely hard and they are one of the few units/lists that doesn't really expect an armor buff.
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Post by scarecrow on Jan 7, 2019 17:37:18 GMT
Sorry gotta be THAT guy, Thagrosh is not Skorne! ☻ Ha, good call. 2 games into Skorne, 1 into Legion. The summary is accurate to the games at least. |
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Post by scarecrow on Jan 7, 2019 17:49:25 GMT
Cygnar Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Gravediggers
[Stryker 3] Lord General Coleman Stryker [+28]
- Ironclad [12]
- Ol' Rowdy [18]
Captain Maxwell Finn [0(6)]
Commander Anson Hitch [4]
Eilish Garrity, the Occultist [5]
Patrol Dog [2]
Trench Buster [0(5)]
Trench Buster [0(5)]
Lynus Wesselbaum & Edrea Lloryrr [5]
Trencher Commandos (max) [15]
- Trencher Commando Officer [4]
- Trencher Commando Scattergunner (3) [6]
Trencher Express Team [5]
Trencher Express Team [5]
Trencher Infantry (max) [16]
- Trencher Infantry Rifle Grenadier (3) [6]
Still painting my commandos, but I agree about Grave Diggers. Excited to run this list when I get it all together.
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