germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Dec 7, 2018 4:25:18 GMT
Well... Ret FB went a bit nuts over the past twelve hours or so...
Eiryss4 more or less confirmed (backtracking on the RiotQuest model use in WMH comments) (Hungerford on FB) Schick teased a Ret epic (one, likely male) with a big gun (latest FB stream about 22-23 mins in).
Speculate away...!
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Dec 7, 2018 5:01:25 GMT
Ravyn2
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bluebeard
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crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women
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New epic?
Dec 7, 2018 13:14:06 GMT
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Post by bluebeard on Dec 7, 2018 13:14:06 GMT
Ossyan is my speculation. Since Ghyrrshyld's return to house Vyre, Ossyan needs to step up his game.
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Miafan
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Post by Miafan on Dec 7, 2018 19:29:33 GMT
Hope for Ossyan2 as well. He is definitely my favorite RoS character.
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matsif
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Post by matsif on Dec 8, 2018 0:39:47 GMT
garryth2 just added to CID edit:
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Post by mcdermott on Dec 8, 2018 3:11:05 GMT
Ret wins the sniper warcaster fight. Its the widowmaker caster i always desperately wanted.
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Post by mydnight on Dec 8, 2018 4:14:10 GMT
So, what would his battlegroup look like? You basically want some guys in front to tie up the front line, and then feat so that Garryth and his backline shooters can shoot the models that approach. From the wording it seems every model only gets one shot. I'm glad PP are putting effort into thinking about janky feats. A pwr 14 arm piercing gun, however, with mage sight, is definitely something that needs testing. He has curse of shadows to boot [salivate]. It's what I can only wish Kara was!
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Post by mcdermott on Dec 8, 2018 5:03:41 GMT
I'm inclined to think things like the Hydra, maybe the daemon? Does the daemon's special rule go off on out of activation shots?
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New epic?
Dec 8, 2018 10:09:00 GMT
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Post by fedeii on Dec 8, 2018 10:09:00 GMT
I can think of several interesting models for the feat's shots, in addition to Garrith himself, like:
- Eiryss1, because of rat 9 and disruption/3 automatic dmg. - Harpies, because of the automatic push (33% knock down) on enemy jacks and rat 6. - AFG, because of momentum and rat 7, maybe even blasted earth against non pathfinder enemies (if killable). - Banshee, automatic knock down...but rat 5. They also benefit from the field marshal more than others.
Also, the already mentioned Daemon (but a bit dangerous) the the rifle team.
All of this without considering that the feat also works as a defensive strike for melee models, like sentinels and heavy jacks!
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bluebeard
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New epic?
Dec 8, 2018 11:12:41 GMT
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Post by bluebeard on Dec 8, 2018 11:12:41 GMT
This makes me happy. Invictors and Dawnguard theme will have some fun with G2! Mage sight and Hyperion will be nice, especially if Moros lands some paralysis down first.
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matsif
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Post by matsif on Dec 8, 2018 13:57:50 GMT
I'm inclined to think things like the Hydra, maybe the daemon? Does the daemon's special rule go off on out of activation shots? the daemon works, sure. if you like pulling your halbs/sentinels/invictors/ryssovass out of b2b and RFPing them, because they all will die to the POW12 roll without their b2b benefits (and over 50% of the time with their b2b benefits anyways). --- he's a janky supersolo with a big gun. he can't support his infantry at all, in a faction where unsupported infantry becomes pink mist in front of almost any opposition if they're not getting the alpha, and he needs an infantry jam for his feat to function. his feat is a timewalk that does nothing against guns and is only as annoying to melee as much as you can get your RAT 6 harpies or RAT 5 banshee to hit when out of activation. if he's casting shadow pack (which he'll have to unless he has terrain, and even then he's not safe at ARM 14) and overrun on the same turn then he's got 1 focus to use on his gun or camp or getting consumed by curse of shadows or mage sight unless you take sylys. he's a cool shooter by himself, but outside of his gun he's going to get until roughly the top of 4 to not get tabled, and that's only because he's getting a timewalk at bottom 2 or 3 from feat. I look at him much in the same way I look at kaelyssa, except he's going to be better into hordes than kae is (grievous, access to moros in any theme, no backlash, no gun shots that are dependent on warjacks), and he provides no defensive support for his list while kae at least brings banishing ward and blur and her feat actually stops charges. I'm looking forward to hopefully testing him, but at a theory glance level tbh other than his gun, which I cannot objectively say is going to survive CID without changes with a straight face, he is not a strong caster. he's got an interestingly janky time walk feat that is dependent on dice and the rest of his list as to how interesting and janky it ends up being, access to overrun and curse of shadows is interesting but not broken, mage sight is terrain and opponent's faction dependent as to its usefulness, and shadow pack is going to really be eating his focus.
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Miafan
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Post by Miafan on Dec 11, 2018 7:07:23 GMT
Is it just me, or the model is bloody damn uninspired and lame? After reading those rules I honestly expected Garryth1 model to be turned into something like Eldar ranger lord in looks and dynamics, not just another generic dude in generic armor with a generic rifle.
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bluebeard
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New epic?
Dec 11, 2018 12:15:58 GMT
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Post by bluebeard on Dec 11, 2018 12:15:58 GMT
I don't mind the pose. Dynamic poses can be a pain to place, assemble and paint. What seems out of place to me is the armor. He looks too bulky for is armor stat and less of a 'sniper'. Maybe I'll try to make a ghille type cloak out if green stuff...
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Dec 12, 2018 12:37:59 GMT
After really taking the time to think about G2's sculpt, it seems to me that he was sculpted as an extension of the Invictors. Maybe his design inspiration was of him escorting a Dawnguard force taking the fight to the enemy. Ios is more in open war now, defending its border from incursions. Every house that joins the Retribution, evolves it from a splinter group of rebels to almost a full army. Garryth too has to evolve, from a lead assassin to more of a commander role.
His kit somewhat points to this as well. His feat allows ranged units to shoot into melee with impunity, but the second part also allows them to shoot enemy models entering his control range. What this does is help Sentinels deliver the alpha strike. Another strategy it helps is tar pit with the Sentinels, then free them up with black penny to allow them a charge on the next turn.
The new gun should be very scary to an opposing caster or warlock, especially if Moros is in the battle group. Moros combined with Mage Sight will be a great assassination vector for Garryth's RNG 14 POW 14 rifle. One could also combine Mage Sight with a full unit of Invictors, at a combined ranged attack of RAT 18 POW 23, and you have one dead round ear.
There is definitely more to discuss in regards to Garryth 2, but due to some time restraints I cannot delve further at the moment. Lastly, if he stays very similar to his current carnation, I will be having myself a grand ole time!
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New epic?
Dec 12, 2018 12:46:25 GMT
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Post by elladan52 on Dec 12, 2018 12:46:25 GMT
After really taking the time to think about G2's sculpt, it seems to me that he was sculpted as an extension of the Invictors. Maybe his design inspiration was of him escorting a Dawnguard force taking the fight to the enemy. Ios is more in open war now, defending its border from incursions. Every house that joins the Retribution, evolves it from a splinter group of rebels to almost a full army. Garryth too has to evolve, from a lead assassin to more of a commander role. His kit somewhat points to this as well. His feat allows ranged units to shoot into melee with impunity, but the second part also allows them to shoot enemy models entering his control range. What this does is help Sentinels deliver the alpha strike. Another strategy it helps is tar pit with the Sentinels, then free them up with black penny to allow them a charge on the next turn. The new gun should be very scary to an opposing caster or warlock, especially if Moros is in the battle group. Moros combined with Mage Sight will be a great assassination vector for Garryth's RNG 14 POW 14 rifle. One could also combine Mage Sight with a full unit of Invictors, at a combined ranged attack of RAT 18 POW 23, and you have one dead round ear. There is definitely more to discuss in regards to Garryth 2, but due to some time restraints I cannot delve further at the moment. Lastly, if he stays very similar to his current carnation, I will be having myself a grand ole time! Mage Sight only affects battlegroup.
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