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Post by mantanza on Nov 21, 2018 0:48:35 GMT
So I have been working on a Baldwin list to pair with my Syvestro list. I am reasonably locked down on my Syvestro list and feel confident in it. I tend to play more towards attrition. I am looking for ideas and thoughts on how to optimize the Baldwin list. conflictchamber.com/#cf201b_-12l9lclF7jlGlGlElxlylelglilelglilklkCrucible Guard Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Magnum Opus !!! Your army contains pre-release entries. [Gearhart 1] Marshal General Baldwin Gearhart [+27] - Vulcan [35] - Aurum Ominus Alyce Marc [0(5)] Anastasia di Bray [3] Rocketman Ace [4] Rocketman Ace [4] Trancer [3] Crucible Guard Infantry (max) [15] - Crucible Guard Infantry Officer & Standard [4] Crucible Guard Rocketmen (min) [9] - Crucible Guard Rocketman Captain [4] - Rocketman Gunner (2) [4] Crucible Guard Rocketmen (min) [9] - Crucible Guard Rocketman Captain [4] - Rocketman Gunner (2) [4] Dragon's Breath Rocket [0(5)] Dragon's Breath Rocket [0(5)] The Syvestro list I am pairing it with is as follows: conflictchamber.com/#cf201b_-12l8ltlblu7jfClElElmlmlelglilklkiBlDCrucible Guard Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Magnum Opus [Syvestro 1] Aurum Adeptus Syvestro [+28] - Liberator [10] - Suppressor [13] - Toro [13] Anastasia di Bray [3] Hutchuk, Ogrun Bounty Hunter [0(6)] Trancer [3] Trancer [3] Crucible Guard Assault Troopers (max) [13] Crucible Guard Assault Troopers (max) [13] Crucible Guard Rocketmen (min) [9] - Crucible Guard Rocketman Captain [4] - Rocketman Gunner (2) [4] Dragon's Breath Rocket [0(5)] Dragon's Breath Rocket [0(5)] Steelhead Halberdiers (max) [11] - Doctor Alejandro Mosby [4] |
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Post by disgruntledwargamer on Nov 21, 2018 4:44:50 GMT
Still fumbling around with it all myself. Looking at the pair, I find myself asking:
What is the shortfall in your Syvestro that you are trying to cover with Baldwin?
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Post by mantanza on Nov 21, 2018 15:32:46 GMT
Truth be told, I'm not sure, Syvestro is pretty amazing into just about everything so far. But I have to bring another list. Baldwin does offer very accurate, long range shooting. I could imagine both lists struggling into Kreuger 2.
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Post by disgruntledwargamer on Nov 22, 2018 2:45:50 GMT
Im guessing you mean Krueger2 Bones, and not the Bret Fogel Secret Masters build or the new Storm Raptor build?
So my instinct is to run Locke into circle's bones. But maybe this would be different enough from syv? Im liking Rust and Oil.
War Room Army
Crucible Guard - baldwin tanks
Theme: Prima Materia
2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Marshal General Baldwin Gearhart & Mr. Clogg - WJ: +27
- Marshal General Baldwin Gearhart & Mr. Clogg (Continued)
- Vulcan - PC: 35 (Battlegroup Points Used: 27)
Railless Interceptor - PC: 16
Prospero - PC: 0
- Retaliator - PC: 9
- Retaliator - PC: 9
Crucible Guard Mechanik - PC: 2
Hutchuk, Ogrun Bounty Hunter - PC: 0
Crucible Guard Mechanik - PC: 2
Crucible Guard Storm Troopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
Crucible Guard Assault Troopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 13
THEME: Prima Materia
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GENERATED : 11/21/2018 19:43:50
BUILD ID : 2069.18-10-06
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Post by skb on Nov 22, 2018 15:11:21 GMT
Im guessing you mean Krueger2 Bones, and not the Bret Fogel Secret Masters build or the new Storm Raptor build? So my instinct is to run Locke into circle's bones. But maybe this would be different enough from syv? Im liking Rust and Oil. War Room Army Crucible Guard - baldwin tanks Theme: Prima Materia 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Marshal General Baldwin Gearhart & Mr. Clogg - WJ: +27 - Marshal General Baldwin Gearhart & Mr. Clogg (Continued) - Vulcan - PC: 35 (Battlegroup Points Used: 27) Railless Interceptor - PC: 16 Prospero - PC: 0 - Retaliator - PC: 9 - Retaliator - PC: 9 Crucible Guard Mechanik - PC: 2 Hutchuk, Ogrun Bounty Hunter - PC: 0 Crucible Guard Mechanik - PC: 2 Crucible Guard Storm Troopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 Crucible Guard Assault Troopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 13 THEME: Prima Materia --- GENERATED : 11/21/2018 19:43:50 BUILD ID : 2069.18-10-06 I'm confused as to what the oil is for? Or is it just a name and the retaliatory are there for GW and cloud removal? |
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Post by disgruntledwargamer on Nov 22, 2018 16:21:05 GMT
I'm confused as to what the oil is for? Or is it just a name and the retaliatory are there for GW and cloud removal? Oil, the effect from Retaliator's Alchemical Accelerant, adds an additional die of damage on the Railess Interceptor's Flame thrower. Working on the idea that the Syvestro list might have trouble with Krueger2, and also working off the assumption that Krueger might still be played in Bones of Orboros, I figure there will be a fair number of constructs for Rust to target. So in a perfect world, the ARM 20 wold could get Rusted from Hutchuck, get oiled from a retaliator and get smacked with an effective POW 14 railess boosted fire attack. Vulcan uses Miasma to prevent healing (even the gargantuan, since it isn't grievous wounds). Maybe a snipe on prospero lets him shoot his fire gun too. You could run a supressor for more fire damage, now that I think about it. Take out a retaliator to make room, but then you still have to make up 4 points elsewhere. In that case, I might reduce the storm troopers to minimum. Then fill in with Gorman and take out a mechanic. The decision there is whether two Retaliators are needed or if you can keep one alive. Lol. Gorman on a celestial engine would be funny. For me. Sad for the Circle player. But that's a perfect world where Gorman lasts to turn 3. Unfortunately, the theme prohibits CG infantry. But Krueger has Windstorm, reducing their range to 7. And single hitbox models are pretty trivially killed with lightning. |
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Post by skb on Nov 22, 2018 16:29:05 GMT
I'm confused as to what the oil is for? Or is it just a name and the retaliatory are there for GW and cloud removal? Oil, the effect from Retaliator's Alchemical Accelerant, adds an additional die of damage on the Railess Interceptor's Flame thrower. Working on the idea that the Syvestro list might have trouble with Krueger2, and also working off the assumption that Krueger might still be played in Bones of Orboros, I figure there will be a fair number of constructs for Rust to target. So in a perfect world, the ARM 20 wold could get Rusted from Hutchuck, get oiled from a retaliator and get smacked with an effective POW 14 railess boosted fire attack. Vulcan uses Miasma to prevent healing (even the gargantuan, since it isn't grievous wounds). Maybe a snipe on prospero lets him shoot his fire gun too. You could run a supressor for more fire damage, now that I think about it. Take out a retaliator to make room, but then you still have to make up 4 points elsewhere. In that case, I might reduce the storm troopers to minimum. Then fill in with Gorman and take out a mechanic. The decision there is whether two Retaliators are needed or if you can keep one alive. Lol. Gorman on a celestial engine would be funny. For me. Sad for the Circle player. But that's a perfect world where Gorman lasts to turn 3. Unfortunately, the theme prohibits CG infantry. But Krueger has Windstorm, reducing their range to 7. And single hitbox models are pretty trivially killed with lightning. I don't think spending 18 points to boost a few pow 12 sprays is very optimal at all. Remember that the no heal aura from the vulcan won't work on constructs which all wolds are. Vulcan should be on full rust all game. |
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Post by mantanza on Nov 22, 2018 19:21:44 GMT
I think the biggest things Baldwin brings is boosted to hit rolls on a Inf unit, Hotshot, and Snipe. So I think he wants a strong shooting unit, either Rocketmen or Cruc Inf. This means he really should be Magnum Opus, and IMO have a Vulcan. That is why I started the way I did.
I have tried with a Halb package and it is good as well to protect the Inf, but I feel rocketmen might be able to do it better. I also think being a shooting army he loves to go first, go Magnum Opus, and Anne feel very good as well.
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Post by disgruntledwargamer on Nov 24, 2018 5:21:16 GMT
I don't think spending 18 points to boost a few pow 12 sprays is very optimal at all. Remember that the no heal aura from the vulcan won't work on constructs which all wolds are. Vulcan should be on full rust all game. Good catch on Vulcan. I forget miasma is only on live victims... I'm undecided about the double retaliator still. I mean with rust, the 12s are essentially 14s. |
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Post by bloodsplatterartist on Nov 28, 2018 16:06:35 GMT
I think the biggest things Baldwin brings is boosted to hit rolls on a Inf unit, Hotshot, and Snipe. So I think he wants a strong shooting unit, either Rocketmen or Cruc Inf. This means he really should be Magnum Opus, and IMO have a Vulcan. That is why I started the way I did. I have tried with a Halb package and it is good as well to protect the Inf, but I feel rocketmen might be able to do it better. I also think being a shooting army he loves to go first, go Magnum Opus, and Anne feel very good as well. I'd probably drop the railess for some CGI. They play better with the retaliators and Baldwin. 22 boosted pow 15s on feat should maul wolds pretty well. |
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