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Post by welshhoppo on Nov 6, 2018 9:12:58 GMT
Used a RNG and got Strakhov2 in AC and Strakhov1 in LoS.
War Room Army
Khador - New Army
Theme: Legion of Steel 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Kommander Oleg Strakhov - WJ: +28 - Berserker - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Berserker - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Marauder - PC: 11 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11)
Iron Fang Kovnik - PC: 0 Iron Fang Kovnik - PC: 0 Kapitan Sofya Skirova - PC: 0 Uhlan Kovnik Markov - PC: 7
Iron Fang Uhlans - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20 Iron Fang Uhlans - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20 Iron Fang Pikemen - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4 Great Bears of the Gallowswood - Volkov, Kolsk, & Yarovich: 9
THEME: Legion of Steel ---
GENERATED : 11/06/2018 09:09:35 BUILD ID : 2069.18-10-06
War Room Army
Khador - New Army
Theme: Armored Corps 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Assault Kommander Strakhov & Kommandos - WJ: +22 - Assault Kommander Strakhov & Kommandos (Cont.) - Marauder - PC: 11 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) - Kodiak - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11)
Man-O-War Kovnik - PC: 4 Man-O-War Suppression Tanker - PC: 0 Man-O-War Suppression Tanker - PC: 0 Man-O-War Strike Tanker - PC: 5
Man-O-War Shocktroopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer - PC: 4 Man-O-War Shocktroopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer - PC: 4 Man-O-War Demolition Corps - Leader & 4 Grunts: 14 - Sergeant Dragos Dragadovich - PC: 0 Kommandant Atanas Arconovich & Standard - Arconovich & Standard Bearer: 7 Battle Mechaniks - Leader & 3 Grunts: 3
THEME: Armored Corps ---
GENERATED : 11/06/2018 09:12:49 BUILD ID : 2069.18-10-06
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 6, 2018 10:23:12 GMT
Heh, I just tried to randomise it and got Strakhov1 WGK and Strakhov2 AC. It seems RNGesus has favourites!
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Post by welshhoppo on Nov 6, 2018 11:02:40 GMT
Heh, I just tried to randomise it and got Strakhov1 WGK and Strakhov2 AC. It seems RNGesus has favourites! Strakhov has inflirated the system it seems.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Nov 6, 2018 12:59:02 GMT
Yeah. No new things = stale list building, meta is solved for us until we get another cid.
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Post by benjamini on Nov 6, 2018 13:30:58 GMT
Yeah. No new things = stale list building, meta is solved for us until we get another cid. Not necessarily, new releases for ANYBODY have the potential to produce lists that make use re-evaluate the lists we take. But I see your point, that being said, I disagree that we are entirely solved.
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Post by auraco on Nov 6, 2018 13:43:27 GMT
Must be because I don't play all that often, but I don't find list building stale. I still have a ton of things to try in armored corps and I seriously think Vlad AC is not the end of all armored corps list. It's good for sure, but at the moment I think Sorscha3 is better to run AC than Vlad2. I haven't gotten around to playing Strakhov2 or the Irusk in AC. OW2 can also run a good armored corps gunline that runs nothing like the melee build from the previous casters. Sorscha0 will probably be comming out shortly and she will give a nice breath of fresh air to both winterguard kommand and jaws of the wolf. The only theme that I find are stale are Wolves of winter (Vlad2 anti cryx/grymkin build is the only serious Wolves of winter list I'd consider running because the rest just doesn't really work) and Legion of steel (which just gets worst and worst with every cid where they give anti infantry and pacman style models to everyone). I usually have a different pairing in every tounament I go and still perform well, that includes cons in the american north east and canada, where I've started to go more and more. Latest of which was Armatura which was a WMW qualifier where I went 3/1 with wins against current and former canadian WTC players and I only lost in the finals because I made a mistake early in the game that doesn't forgive against Skarre1. I'll also keep changing my pairing to the different events I go to and see how it goes, I'm not really worried. Khador isn't in a bad place and I really don't think we're a solved faction.
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 6, 2018 13:58:59 GMT
Yeah. No new things = stale list building, meta is solved for us until we get another cid. Haha, come on now. If your lists are stale it's up to you to change them, not PP. If it's solved, what's the solution? And how can you 'solve' a meta, anyway? Meta is, by definition, self referential; any change you or your opponents make also changes the meta. The very act of solving it would change it. And if, say, Vlad2 becomes 'the' Khador list, what are you going to try when people find a way to counter it?
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Post by benjamini on Nov 6, 2018 16:43:12 GMT
hocestbellumWell said, list building is only as stale as you make it. Heck, even within the confines of Vlad2 AC there's a number of different viable lists!
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Post by michael on Nov 6, 2018 17:44:25 GMT
“The meta” is a lie.
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Post by auraco on Nov 6, 2018 17:45:50 GMT
hocestbellum Well said, list building is only as stale as you make it.Heck, even within the confines of Vlad2 AC there's a number of different viable lists! Words of wisdom right there. Considering what can be done with Armored corps if people don't want to try more than Vlad2 it's their loss since half our caster can run that list in a competitive setting.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 6, 2018 18:14:34 GMT
Speaking of which, what's this new "Butcher & Chariots" list I heard whispers of at WMW? I'm guessing it's Butcher 1 because I don't see the synergy with Butcher 3. Butcher 1 though has the feat, which does work with impact attacks, and Fury buffs melee attacks not STR specifically so the Chariots can use that too. Is it as simple as packing in all four of them? I wonder what else is in the list...
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Post by Ganso on Nov 6, 2018 20:33:41 GMT
Speaking of which, what's this new "Butcher & Chariots" list I heard whispers of at WMW? I'm guessing it's Butcher 1 because I don't see the synergy with Butcher 3. Butcher 1 though has the feat, which does work with impact attacks, and Fury buffs melee attacks not STR specifically so the Chariots can use that too. Is it as simple as packing in all four of them? I wonder what else is in the list... Arcane Assist has a batrep recording up on Youtube. I'm not sure it's anything more than a shits and giggles jank list.
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Post by Havock on Nov 7, 2018 18:38:35 GMT
It's less stale if you ignore themes. And don't care too much about winning. And ignore most if the good advice you get on the forums. That's what I do anyway!
I tried to do so for a long time, but when you are four flag bi- solo's down and about 12-20 points counting it, it becomes an uphill struggle.
The biggest problem is that our two themes that have actual flexibility are Armored Corps and WGK: AC is the most "complete" theme we have and it shows, whereas WGK can be built as a rocket party or as an effective combined arms list with advence-moving 'jacks.
Jaws is a big fat 'eh' until we get S0, and even then you might see her more in WGK, adding more threat to the jacks there. LOS was pretty nice but honestly, it feels old now, with most factions having similar lists which are just... Better. And Wolves is just half a Theme Force stuck in the same place as AC was when they released the theme, yeah it's our counter to certain things, but that doesn't solve the problems of the theme being filled with actively anti-synergistic options and overpriced, squishy melee infantry.
Fix those three themes and it will go a long way: - Jaws: Just review the benefits. - LoS: Possible Advance Move on all small-based non-character IF units, but honestly I feel Iron Fangs are too expensive compared to their contemporaries, even if they out-threaten them in theory, they are up against an assload of recursion, flat-out better counterparts, or both [/s]. So either they need to be better -which I don't really see happening, maybe give them their DEF13 back at most-, or make them cheaper, which is something I can see happening. Assuming PP gives a rats ass about that theme in the coming 2 years :v [/div]
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Nov 8, 2018 4:09:32 GMT
I don’t play enough games for list building to get stale...it’s a good month for me if I get in a couple of game nights, or one game night and a Saturday tournament (that’s in a month, mind you...)
That said, I’m seriously hitting refresh a bit too neurotically now on the CID forum hoping that our Wolves mini-CID comes in November and not December. Unlocking doomreavers is going to be a THING.
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Post by Havock on Nov 8, 2018 4:52:47 GMT
I hope their 'mini-CiD' involves more than just wolves, not just Khador but plenty of factions have lame theme forces that could use a little tweak.
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