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Post by DoctorGandalf on Oct 28, 2018 16:49:06 GMT
Hi all, Like the title says, I've slowly been collecting a small force based off the mystery box and the MkII & III battleboxes. Here's the list I've created so far: conflictchamber.com/#c4201b_-0UbY1k1w19331e1e1u1v1v1vf02B2BCryx Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Black Industries [Asphyxious 3] Asphyxious the Hellbringer [+24] - Cankerworm [9] - Deathjack [23] - Deathripper [0(6)] - Malice [15] - Ripjaw [0(7)] - Ripjaw [0(7)] - Seether [13] - Slayer [10] - Slayer [10] - Slayer [10] Soul Trapper [1] Warwitch Siren [4] Warwitch Siren [4] I'm mainly a Cygnar & Trolls player. I'd like to make a small pairing for fun and a change of pace. Specifically, I'd like to create a list that I can bring in a little bit of bag space (so no wraith engine or Skarre3) and that doesn't break the bank. My meta is mainly medium infantry (Madrak1, Maelok, & Anamag), ranged (Goreshade4 double crickets & my own Siege2), and assassination lists (Syvestro, Vayl2, & Lylyth3). I've been thinking either dark host with double knights or satyxis, though the medium infantry makes me worried. Do you folks have any recommendations for what I should look into? Thanks so much for any help!
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Post by theghost on Oct 29, 2018 7:34:23 GMT
well if you are looking for little bag space and few models, then maybe a double bane cavalry based list? Would horses fit your need to minimize transporting?
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Post by tiberius on Oct 29, 2018 10:32:09 GMT
With so many of your opponents playing hordes lists, the satyxis will lose out on their feedback abilities, and I think they would prefer to be hunting single wound infantry. Though Dark Host will work just fine and is probably, in my opinion, our strongest theme. A bane swarm (I prefer warriors to knights, but knights can get the job done) with proper backing (someone that can either speed them up, protect them on the way in, or increase their accuracy) will do well. Skarre 1 is a popular choice with Dark Guidance making them really accurate and on her feat turn, 2-3 bane warriors can drop a heavy, or skarre herself can kill almost anything. Deneghra 1 also works really well with the banes, but she works equally well with pretty much anything. sounds like you already have her if you have the MKII battlebox.
Against gators, ogrun and trolls, you face a lot of tough, I would recommend a source of grevious wounds. The stalkers are not bad, fast, versatile and can eat multiwound guys pretty handily. Though asphyxious 3's mortality spell works just as well.
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bward
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Post by bward on Oct 29, 2018 12:29:42 GMT
well if you are looking for little bag space and few models, then maybe a double bane cavalry based list? Would horses fit your need to minimize transporting? I have this same issue... and I think Cav are probably the least efficient transport available. 4pts/large base is less than half the cost of a slayer. Double cav is 40 pts for 10 large bases compared to something like 9 slayers at 90 pts for 9. I also have issues playing DH because it typically requires bringing a wraith engine too.
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Post by DoctorGandalf on Oct 29, 2018 22:54:23 GMT
Thanks for the responses y'all! theghost, I actually just took out a set of double storm lances to make room for some cryx jacks. I reckon I could fit in a single set, but a double might be hard. How are the bane cav? They look like storm lances that trade their gun for ghostly, which is admittedly pretty awesome. bward, you voice one of my big concerns about DH. As a side note, you mentioned 9 slayers so I thought I'd ask--how would my gaspy list compare to the spam? I'm okay trading a bit of potency for variety, but I'd still like it to be viable. tiberius, that was my worry with satyxis; glad to at least here I'm not off kilter. I'm a bit surprised you think DH is possibly your strongest--I would have thought slaughter fleet due to its apparent popularity. I definitely won't complain though, slaughter fleet is too close to trolls for my taste and I already have some bane warriors. I also missed denny's def debuffing spell, that really shifts my thoughts regarding her and banes. Combining some suggestions, how would this look? conflictchamber.com/#c4201b_-0Bkv1919191h1hi2i5dWh-h_h-h_Cryx Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Dark Host [Deneghra 1] Warwitch Deneghra [+26] - Deathripper [6] - Deathripper [6] - Deathripper [6] - Stalker [8] - Stalker [8] Bane Lord Tartarus [0(6)] Bane Knights (max) [15] Bane Riders (max) [20] Bane Warriors (max) [16] - Bane Warrior Officer & Standard [0(5)] Bane Warriors (max) [16] - Bane Warrior Officer & Standard [0(5)] First thing to notice is no Darragh Wrathe, which effects my speed. But plenty of arc nodes and grievous wounds, and hopefully enough banes to mitigate the lack of a heavy. I originally had a reaper in it instead of the stalkers, but the gw is probably more useful than being able to pull a single heavy. What d'you folks think as a first draft?
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Growl
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Post by Growl on Oct 30, 2018 1:36:10 GMT
I think it looks pretty good. The only problem I’ve had with Stalkers though, is that they need a good amount of Focus to really shine and with Denny1 you will be using Focus for debuffs etc, but coupled with her FEAT and then Dark Shroud from a bane warrior or 2, the Stalkers will be able to hit really, really hard. I think it is a list that is fast because of the Riders and with her debuffs and FEAT, can not only swing a turn in your favor, but blunt the counter attack.
I’ve had a lot of success with Skarre1 and 4 Stalkers, in Dark Host, between the plus 5Str, and Dark Shroud from the Banes or a Wraith Engine they do terrible work! If you are restricting yourself to no Wraith Engines, then you can fit in even more Stalkers and with a Skarlock Thrall feeding Skarre Focus from, Ritual Sacrifice, I’ve often found that she has enough Focus to fill at least 4 of them. Not sure how the list runs without the Wraith Engines though, they are pretty important to it.
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Post by DoctorGandalf on Oct 30, 2018 2:05:02 GMT
I think it looks pretty good. The only problem I’ve had with Stalkers though, is that they need a good amount of Focus to really shine and with Denny1 you will be using Focus for debuffs etc, but coupled with her FEAT and then Dark Shroud from a bane warrior or 2, the Stalkers will be able to hit really, really hard. I think it is a list that is fast because of the Riders and with her debuffs and FEAT, can not only swing a turn in your favor, but blunt the counter attack. I’ve had a lot of success with Skarre1 and 4 Stalkers, in Dark Host, between the plus 5Str, and Dark Shroud from the Banes or a Wraith Engine they do terrible work! If you are restricting yourself to no Wraith Engines, then you can fit in even more Stalkers and with a Skarlock Thrall feeding Skarre Focus from, Ritual Sacrifice, I’ve often found that she has enough Focus to fill at least 4 of them. Not sure how the list runs without the Wraith Engines though, they are pretty important to it. Thanks for point that out, I don't really know the focus requirement of stalkers--I've played a single 50 point Cryx game at this point. I'll admit, the thought of functional pow 16+ weapon masters is amazing (especially since I just remembered a friend's million Devastator list). I'll have to look at pSkarre; dark guidance seems really good, though ritual sacrifice seems a really weird mechanic for me. Are stalkers really so good that they're worth being the only jacks? I'm a little wary of purchasing a bunch of one type of model, the only model I have 4 of is chargers and that's only because they come with everything Cygnar. That's still my biggest worry. Am I really crippling myself not playing a wraith engine? I'll admit I find the model less than inspiring, let alone the space concerns. However, it seems like DH is the best pair, so if it really isn't playable without I may just have to bite the bullet. Thanks for the help!
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Post by Gamingdevil on Oct 30, 2018 6:34:54 GMT
Though asphyxious 3's mortality spell works just as well. Asphyxious 3 does not have Mortality but Calamity. The only Mortality in Cryx comes from Denny 3 or Venethrax.
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Growl
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Post by Growl on Oct 30, 2018 10:09:42 GMT
I don’t think a Wraith Engine is a must at all, but it is really good! First off it is incorporeal, so can cause fits to many unprepared lists. Second, it gives plus 2 Arm against ranged and magic attacks to undead within its 10” command. Third, as a battle engine it is immune to stationary and Knockdown, things to could cause problems to a lot of your models. Fourth, it has 3 base attacks with Dark Shroud at effective Pow 17 with 2” reach, and even without Darragh Wrathe is fast at Speed 7. Fifth, if a living model is killed within 2” of it once a turn, it makes that into a Machine Wraith which likely won’t assassinate anything, but is another solo, who is incorporeal, and can screw around with jacks etc. Despite all of that, I don’t think it is necessary, but it is a really good model! I have mine assembled and then magnetized t their bases to help with transport, but they are still pretty big.
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Post by tiberius on Oct 30, 2018 10:13:28 GMT
Though asphyxious 3's mortality spell works just as well. Asphyxious 3 does not have Mortality but Calamity. The only Mortality in Cryx comes from Denny 3 or Venethrax. Whoops, you are correct. Venethrax is who I was thinking of, sorry for the mix up.
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Post by DoctorGandalf on Oct 30, 2018 23:00:00 GMT
I don’t think a Wraith Engine is a must at all, but it is really good! First off it is incorporeal, so can cause fits to many unprepared lists. Second, it gives plus 2 Arm against ranged and magic attacks to undead within its 10” command. Third, as a battle engine it is immune to stationary and Knockdown, things to could cause problems to a lot of your models. Fourth, it has 3 base attacks with Dark Shroud at effective Pow 17 with 2” reach, and even without Darragh Wrathe is fast at Speed 7. Fifth, if a living model is killed within 2” of it once a turn, it makes that into a Machine Wraith which likely won’t assassinate anything, but is another solo, who is incorporeal, and can screw around with jacks etc. Despite all of that, I don’t think it is necessary, but it is a really good model! I have mine assembled and then magnetized t their bases to help with transport, but they are still pretty big. This thread is proving me to be a poor reader of Cryxian cards. I'd read it mainly as an incorp +2 arm bot. I completely missed rapid strike and speed 7. That does make it a more interesting prospect, but even so it means you're dropping incorp, and 26 boxes is a bit sad. Glad to hear it isn't necessary even with that in mind though. I might use the kraken to proxy it out and compare how it does to just baneswarm. I'm thinking I could proxy out the knights with some stormguard and the riders with storm lances. In the list I posted above, would it be better to drop the riders or a unit of warriors to make room for it, taking in mind it'll probably be my medium infantry answer? Thanks for the input!
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