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Post by grabsnikk on Oct 23, 2018 21:53:34 GMT
I see a lot of casters here, but no one is mentioning gunnbjorn at all. Where do we place him? I'm not a very competitive player but I love to play him, and usually find great success with northkin elder, glacier king and a bomber in sotn. I'm not sure that Gunnbjorn can be put into either the top 3 or bottom 3. He top 3 would probably have to be Kolgrima, Madrak1, Borka2. Bottom 3 I would put as Borka1, Grissel1 and Madrak3, mainly because their feats are pretty garbage. Gunnbjorn could be a solid 4th from top in competitiveness as he can deliver an army and support it with gunfire from his battle group. He also has Rockwall which can win games by itself.
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Post by badnappy on Oct 24, 2018 2:06:22 GMT
I'm surprised that Horgle comes up in the bottom 3. Solid ground is great for trolls and he's the only caster with an inherent armor buff that doesn't have "restrictions". His feat can be either great or meh but I feel like his total package is pretty solid. [mbr][b I like H2, yes feat is great or not, yet I feel his spells make a strong list unreliant on the feat. I am still having some choices for setting things aflame as I like mountain king with him but he is not bottom and can be awesome at times.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 24, 2018 2:42:09 GMT
I see a lot of casters here, but no one is mentioning gunnbjorn at all. Where do we place him? I'm not a very competitive player but I love to play him, and usually find great success with northkin elder, glacier king and a bomber in sotn. Gunny is very strong if there are enough gun lines in the meta. It's not that he's bad otherwise, it's just that I think we're more focused here on casters whose strength is more independent of shifts in the meta. That's why Doomy 2 hasn't been mentioned much either. Also, the OP asked for one best and three worst. Gunny's spells and field marshal are pretty fantastic and he has some great board control. I think that he will make a comeback if Sloan does. Though I did theorize about a Gunny build that made it hard to fight him both at range and in melee. I originally used WE & SJ but somebody suggested the Hooch Hauler instead.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 24, 2018 2:54:48 GMT
I'm surprised that Horgle comes up in the bottom 3. Solid ground is great for trolls and he's the only caster with an inherent armor buff that doesn't have "restrictions". His feat can be either great or meh but I feel like his total package is pretty solid. It's the same category as Calandra. They look very strong on paper, but in practice, somehow just don't quite get there. My own theory is that in order to really shine they each need one of a few pretty specific builds that just haven't been fully discovered yet. Horgle is definitely fun, though.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Oct 24, 2018 11:24:54 GMT
I see a lot of casters here, but no one is mentioning gunnbjorn at all. Where do we place him? I'm not a very competitive player but I love to play him, and usually find great success with northkin elder, glacier king and a bomber in sotn. I would posit that he ranks firmly in the middle then, and without much argument. Certainly not in the bottom, apparently not the best. I d find it very refreshing that not one caster in "the bottom" does not have their defenders. I certainly will not accept that Borka1 is a bottom 3 warlock, and I've seen Horgle and Grissel litigated for as well. Seems like Madrak3 is the closest to a consensus as "worst", and even then people still like him. They just recognize his glaring weaknesses as making him lesser to the others, sadly.
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Post by joedj on Oct 24, 2018 13:06:31 GMT
My votes: Top - Madrak1
Bottom- Borka1, Grissel1, Madrak3
KC as weakest theme
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 24, 2018 20:38:06 GMT
To be clear, Borka 1 is not weak at all, it's just that not being able to use the Runebearer hurts especially with 5 Fury. Keggy helps but still leaves some holes in his fury management. Other than that, he's actually a great caster.
I would change them to a unit and Top Off to grant only Stumbling Drunk but be able to target any model or unit within 3 inches. I'd like to also see a clause that Keggy gives Borka +1 FURY stat while alive and within formation, or maybe giving him a point of Fury as an option other than Stumbling Drunk, but it might be okay to give this up if need be, just to gain access to the Runebearer.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Oct 24, 2018 23:28:02 GMT
To be clear, Borka 1 is not weak at all, it's just that not being able to use the Runebearer hurts especially with 5 Fury. Keggy helps but still leaves some holes in his fury management. Other than that, he's actually a great caster. I would change them to a unit and Top Off to grant only Stumbling Drunk but be able to target any model or unit within 3 inches. I'd like to also see a clause that Keggy gives Borka +1 FURY stat while alive and within formation, or maybe giving him a point of Fury as an option other than Stumbling Drunk, but it might be okay to give this up if need be, just to gain access to the Runebearer. I would give up all of that change to just have Boomhowlers be partisan and take arcane ward.
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Post by mydnight on Oct 25, 2018 0:14:35 GMT
To be clear, Borka 1 is not weak at all, it's just that not being able to use the Runebearer hurts especially with 5 Fury. Keggy helps but still leaves some holes in his fury management. Other than that, he's actually a great caster. I would change them to a unit and Top Off to grant only Stumbling Drunk but be able to target any model or unit within 3 inches. I'd like to also see a clause that Keggy gives Borka +1 FURY stat while alive and within formation, or maybe giving him a point of Fury as an option other than Stumbling Drunk, but it might be okay to give this up if need be, just to gain access to the Runebearer. I would give up all of that change to just have Boomhowlers be partisan and take arcane ward. You can already do that in Kriel Company. But Boomhowlers need a buff even if they are friendly faction.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Oct 25, 2018 11:03:49 GMT
I would give up all of that change to just have Boomhowlers be partisan and take arcane ward. You can already do that in Kriel Company. Well that's just insulting I've actually tried what I want to do in Kriel Company and it is a garbage tier that needs a complete rework. There are probably one or two builds that can "work" in it, but it's just not good enough to be a relevant option for the faction. But, we've got other excellent themes to work with, so it is what it is. Tangent aside, I was just remarking that it was refreshing to see people defending almost all warlocks. That says to me at least that the faction as a whole is in a pretty healthy place.
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Post by mydnight on Oct 25, 2018 22:56:34 GMT
Tangent aside, I was just remarking that it was refreshing to see people defending almost all warlocks. That says to me at least that the faction as a whole is in a pretty healthy place. Who's defending Madrak 3?
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Post by cplmustard on Oct 26, 2018 1:24:34 GMT
Tangent aside, I was just remarking that it was refreshing to see people defending almost all warlocks. That says to me at least that the faction as a whole is in a pretty healthy place. Who's defending Madrak 3? He' s a shield guard, he defends our other casters from getting blown up
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Oct 26, 2018 12:16:23 GMT
Tangent aside, I was just remarking that it was refreshing to see people defending almost all warlocks. That says to me at least that the faction as a whole is in a pretty healthy place. Who's defending Madrak 3? I did say "almost all". And the feeling I got was that lots of us love the guy, just haven't found him very playable yet outside of funsies. I pull him out with a Glacier King and ALL THE INFANTRY from time to time still. It's interesting, not good per se', but interesting.
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Post by Phlushot on Oct 26, 2018 16:47:52 GMT
You can already do that in Kriel Company. Well that's just insulting I've actually tried what I want to do in Kriel Company and it is a garbage tier that needs a complete rework. There are probably one or two builds that can "work" in it, but it's just not good enough to be a relevant option for the faction. But, we've got other excellent themes to work with, so it is what it is. Tangent aside, I was just remarking that it was refreshing to see people defending almost all warlocks. That says to me at least that the faction as a whole is in a pretty healthy place. I've never once seen a thread bashing a caster in any faction and not seen 1 or more people come forward to defend that caster. Hell there are people that defend Sturgis, just yesterday I saw someone defending Jakes2. There's a couple of threads in the Khador section talking about Butcher2. Goes on and on...
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Post by emb on Oct 26, 2018 20:22:45 GMT
There's nothing wrong with Madrak3 that changing the name of his Protective Aura so it will stack with the Krielstone aura doesn't fix
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