shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 10, 2018 18:37:21 GMT
I’ve got bad news for you guys: About ten people total play Rhulic armies. Any new Rhulic models are probably so low priority that they’re on some parallel universe nega-list at this point. If it wasn’t a question of time or money for their business, I’m sure Privateer would happily develop tons of new Rhulic stuff. But unless Rhul is the next mini-faction after Infernals, and also mind-blowing my awesome, I don’t think it’s gonna happen. Also why we probably won't see much of a power increase in the coming CIDs compared to other factions. That and without the same quantity of players and feed back, adjustments won't be as tuned beyond what other factions complain about unfortunately. nonsense! i will ensure that the upcoming steelhead CID goes just fine for us
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 10, 2018 19:08:24 GMT
also agree wid mikey. super unlikely rhulic gets any big releases. maybe 1 caster, 1-2 solos and if u lucky, a forge guard or OAC CA. We talkin hardly nothin sorta liek skron cid don't has hardly nothin new. and this would be many years away times are tuff in pp land and dey gots to prioritize. piratemans was postponed (canselled? ) indefinitely. lalalese resistance has been teesed for years with no hint in sight. rhul ain't had a sniff of a rumor
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Post by Charistoph on Oct 11, 2018 19:10:45 GMT
Interesting question really. I am one of those “10” dwarf players, and now you have me curious. Maybe one of us should start a thread for people who play, would play if they were competitive, or would like to play dwarves and see how many actual potential dwarf players there are. I guarantee that Privateer already has all the relevant sales data in their possession. And I guarantee that their numbers are higher than yours. I know of at least 2 locally.
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Post by michael on Oct 11, 2018 19:18:11 GMT
I guarantee that Privateer already has all the relevant sales data in their possession. And I guarantee that their numbers are higher than yours. I know of at least 2 locally. They play Rhulic models exclusively? As in, “Hammer Strike”, and not “Irregulars but I happen to have a Rhulic caster and BG”? And great, fantastic! I am happy that somebody plays them. But, I have seen two Rhulic-exclusive players in my life. Aside from Forge Guard (always working for Cygnar or Protectorate) I can’t remember the last time I saw Rhulic models on the table. The last time I clearly recall facing a Rhulic caster was in 2013 and 2010. They are simply not prevalent, certainly not enough to justify a development cycle on more mercenary models that most factions can’t optimally use.
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Post by Charistoph on Oct 11, 2018 19:34:30 GMT
And I guarantee that their numbers are higher than yours. I know of at least 2 locally. They play Rhulic models exclusively? As in, “Hammer Strike”, and not “Irregulars but I happen to have a Rhulic caster and BG”? And great, fantastic! I am happy that somebody plays them. But, I have seen two Rhulic-exclusive players in my life. Aside from Forge Guard (always working for Cygnar or Protectorate) I can’t remember the last time I saw Rhulic models on the table. The last time I clearly recall facing a Rhulic caster was in 2013 and 2010. They are simply not prevalent, certainly not enough to justify a development cycle on more mercenary models that most factions can’t optimally use. That wasn't the point, though. They are Rhulic players, even if they are not exclusively such. Even beyond that, there is absolutely zero way to tell by sales numbers alone as to whom is an exclusive Rhulic player.
Rhulic players can play Irregulars as well as Hammer Strike. Who are you to limit how they choose to play?
Now, I am not saying they are prevalent, as the Merc faction entire is not a prevalant one. But out of the Merc sub-factions on the table, I trend to see more Rhul forces than I see any other. Again, that is locally and purely anecdotally, but it is there.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Oct 11, 2018 20:46:56 GMT
also agree wid mikey. super unlikely rhulic gets any big releases. maybe 1 caster, 1-2 solos and if u lucky, a forge guard or OAC CA. We talkin hardly nothin sorta liek skron cid don't has hardly nothin new. and this would be many years away times are tuff in pp land and dey gots to prioritize. piratemans was postponed (canselled? ) indefinitely. lalalese resistance has been teesed for years with no hint in sight. rhul ain't had a sniff of a rumor I too wonder if PP are in trouble financially, I just hope they didn't invest too much in RIOTQUEST!!!!
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Zeykk
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Post by Zeykk on Oct 12, 2018 2:12:39 GMT
I would speculate times are tough and money is tight. Rushed out mk3 a year early showed this a bit, and a widely popular 8th ed for 40k is hurting.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 12, 2018 2:27:16 GMT
wm core has always been 40k players looking for sumthin new and better. once teh newness of 8th wears off, more costumbres will find their way to wm/h but until den dey gots to weather teh storm and makes teh mostarpoopalypse
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Post by michael on Oct 12, 2018 14:24:49 GMT
That wasn't the point, though. They are Rhulic players, even if they are not exclusively such. Even beyond that, there is absolutely zero way to tell by sales numbers alone as to whom is an exclusive Rhulic player.
Rhulic players can play Irregulars as well as Hammer Strike. Who are you to limit how they choose to play?
Now, I am not saying they are prevalent, as the Merc faction entire is not a prevalant one. But out of the Merc sub-factions on the table, I trend to see more Rhul forces than I see any other. Again, that is locally and purely anecdotally, but it is there.
Who am I? An awesome human who is also pretty great. But seriously, new Rhulic models would need to fit the CID theme, which tends to be “focus on a whole subfaction during the cycle.” That subfaction, as things stand now, is Hammer Strike. I don’t see many people playing Hammer Strike, do you? Heck, a quick search on DGI seems to show one Hammer Strike list anywhere (though I concede I got tired of looking after about 10 minutes.). Mostly all there was to see was Ossrum in Irregulars, mostly with only Rhulic jacks and no or few Rhulic units. But, hey, whatever. It is hardly worth arguing about.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 12, 2018 14:34:38 GMT
me dont think that too many things is worth arguing about on here either so i just troll people instead!
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Post by Charistoph on Oct 12, 2018 14:49:50 GMT
That wasn't the point, though. They are Rhulic players, even if they are not exclusively such. Even beyond that, there is absolutely zero way to tell by sales numbers alone as to whom is an exclusive Rhulic player.
Rhulic players can play Irregulars as well as Hammer Strike. Who are you to limit how they choose to play?
Now, I am not saying they are prevalent, as the Merc faction entire is not a prevalant one. But out of the Merc sub-factions on the table, I trend to see more Rhul forces than I see any other. Again, that is locally and purely anecdotally, but it is there.
Who am I? An awesome human who is also pretty great. But seriously, new Rhulic models would need to fit the CID theme, which tends to be “focus on a whole subfaction during the cycle.” That subfaction, as things stand now, is Hammer Strike. I don’t see many people playing Hammer Strike, do you? Heck, a quick search on DGI seems to show one Hammer Strike list anywhere (though I concede I got tired of looking after about 10 minutes.). Mostly all there was to see was Ossrum in Irregulars, mostly with only Rhulic jacks and no or few Rhulic units. But, hey, whatever. It is hardly worth arguing about. That may be because the unit options are lacklustre and solo support for Hammer Strike is extremely limited. It may also be because Hammer Strike is an Infantry Theme, and Irregulars can play either Warjack-focused or Infantry-focused and makes Thor even better Jack Marshal than in Hammer Strike, both of which allow for powerful use of Rhulic Jacks.
But I was in no way arguing that new units in Hammer Strike would not be welcome, nor suggesting as such. I was simply stating that there are more Rhulic players than you are assuming. You are inserting arguments that are not present, and then condemning me for them.
I would actually like having a reason to take Ogrun Assault Corps with MacBain, Ashlynn, Magnus, or any of the Warcasters I have, as I think they look pretty cool. I love the concept of dwarves, but I don't like how limited the Rhulic theme is, so I would love to see more options for them. By excluding me, you are excluding my contribution and likelihood of my purchasing any Rhulic models in the future.
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Post by Zeykk on Oct 12, 2018 19:18:59 GMT
I don’t see many people playing Hammer Strike, do you? Heck, a quick search on DGI seems to show one Hammer Strike list anywhere (though I concede I got tired of looking after about 10 minutes.). Mostly all there was to see was Ossrum in Irregulars, mostly with only Rhulic jacks and no or few Rhulic units. DGI is not a complete population and should not be thought of as such. To contribute, there are several of those Irregulars lists that are all Rhulic exempting solos, or predominantly Rhulic on a points basis. I would allow one to claim themselves as a Rhulic player in such circumstances while not restricting them to only Hammerstrike. Merc solos solve too many problems, and can be through of as filling a role that they already fill for other factions, if it helps.
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Post by michael on Oct 12, 2018 21:53:12 GMT
DGI is not a complete population and should not be thought of as such. To contribute, there are several of those Irregulars lists that are all Rhulic exempting solos, or predominantly Rhulic on a points basis. I would allow one to claim themselves as a Rhulic player in such circumstances while not restricting them to only Hammerstrike. Merc solos solve too many problems, and can be through of as filling a role that they already fill for other factions, if it helps. I am aware that DGI is not authoritative, but it does make for a handy data set. Most of the lists I saw — and like I said, I got tired of looking at the Ossrum lists after about 10 minutes, seemed to be a huge Ossrum BG and then regular mercenary whatever. Some certainly could have become Hammer Strike, but let’s be realistic: even given that, there are only a few people running Ossrum, comparatively. And regardless, my personal experience has continued to be: I have seen very few Rhulic players in my experience.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 13, 2018 0:38:54 GMT
insuffishient rhulic purity is unaceptabel
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Post by gobber on Oct 13, 2018 3:59:15 GMT
I wouldn't be too surprised to see a rhulic noncharacter solo as one of their upcoming "instead of CID christmas everybody gets one thing and a mini-CID touch up in groups of three" plans; a strong rhulic support solo could do a lot for the theme and the noncharacter aspect would keep it out of irregulars.
The other likely candidate for this is something piratey as some of the pieces they had been working on for the once-planned pirate CID are probably pretty far into production and don't exactly go away (though they are willing to hold stuff for a while as evidenced by the steelhead artillery once being planned to drop with the beginning of mk3). Weighing against pirates' likelihood to be the not-christmas CID choice is that they likely need more than a single model release and some touchups to make the theme functional/advantageous over irregulars (unless it's a pirate battle engine...). Hammerstrike on the other hand would be pretty well off with the new support model, a few point cost adjustments, and reworks for OAC and high shields.
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