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Post by greytemplar on Apr 23, 2017 5:15:36 GMT
20 points is too much. 15 for a free CA or any solo is fair given what the other theme forces have been coming out with. but 20 poioy has been the magic number when dealing with the other infantry based themes and 25 for jack/beasts themes. What other theme has given out free solos at 15? I could have sworn one of the new themes was at 15 points. But i seem to be mistaken. So we sadly probably wont get that. But PP probably should throw infantry lists a bone like that. 20 is a lot of points still. You can only get it 3 times. Unlike those stupid jack themes where you can get it 4 times potentially because it counts jacks you buy with WJ points.
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demonic
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Post by demonic on Apr 23, 2017 5:28:20 GMT
The difference is potency. Jack/beast lists are limited to only a few attacks per model + whatever you purchase. This means you can wreck house on singular models, but you have a limited range of effect unless you plan on paying out the ass for AoE and thresher models. On the other hand, infantry has anywhere from 5-10 models for a similar price. On top of that, solos and attachments that follow the theme also count towards your free cards (full flame cleansers + Pyrrus = free Nicia). This means an infantry based list can have 5-10 different attacks on 5-10 different models for the same price that jack/beast lists gain 2-4 within the range of just a singular model. It seems off balanced because it's rather easy to kill infantry and rather difficult to kill most jacks, but if you line up the boxes, the number of attacks, the range of attacks, it all begins to compound into the infantry based theme's favor. However, since jack/beast themed lists can purchase out of the caster's beast points, it's countered by tacking on the additional 5 points per free card.
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Post by alanryan on Apr 23, 2017 6:26:35 GMT
20 points is too much. 15 for a free CA or any solo is fair given what the other theme forces have been coming out with. but 20 points has been the magic number when dealing with the other infantry based themes and 25 for jack/beasts themes. What other theme has given out free solos at 15? actually, Gymkin's warbeast theme. every 15 point for a free lesser warbeast
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Post by WolfsSOL on Apr 23, 2017 6:49:39 GMT
but 20 points has been the magic number when dealing with the other infantry based themes and 25 for jack/beasts themes. What other theme has given out free solos at 15? actually, Gymkin's warbeast theme. every 15 point for a free lesser warbeast until the book is released those are beta rules and not official, still subject to change.
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Post by josephkerr on Apr 23, 2017 9:54:01 GMT
actually, Gymkin's warbeast theme. every 15 point for a free lesser warbeast until the book is released those are beta rules and not official, still subject to change. Also of note is that it offered only 2 models, both of which were ~3 points each. Menoth could get a free solo worth twice as much.
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spideredd
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Post by spideredd on Apr 23, 2017 12:04:46 GMT
I'm not so sure about tough, but it seems to be along the right lines of what PP give out for their bonuses.
What about giving one unit Sacred Ward for the duration of the game? If we get something like that then I suspect that it'd be Bastions or Knights, rather than Errants or Vengers.
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Post by Provengreil on Apr 24, 2017 0:43:03 GMT
I'm not so sure about tough, but it seems to be along the right lines of what PP give out for their bonuses. What about giving one unit Sacred Ward for the duration of the game? If we get something like that then I suspect that it'd be Bastions or Knights, rather than Errants or Vengers. sacred ward knights or vengers would make errants not even seen in their own theme, and even given some of their recent snafus I can't see PP missing that fact. My bet: free exemplar solo/ca per 20 points of exemplar one unit of exemplar errants gains relentless charge for every unit of exemplar errants or knights, one warjack gains righteous vengeance. Now, My dream theme would be an interlocking series of buffs encouraging a variety, similar to the slivers of MTG. At the cost of free points, it would be this: First off, the Cinterator Senny exists, and the KES wold actually buff his guys in an update. For each exemplar errant senny, one non errant unit of exemplar gains AD. for each KES, one unit gains battle driven. Gravus would hand out blessed weaponry. Cinerator would give vengeance. Bastion would give tough. Basically, every seneschal would buff 2 units, heavily encouraging using a variety of troops. It would never be released, but I like to dream....
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Post by alanryan on Apr 24, 2017 2:03:13 GMT
I'm not so sure about tough, but it seems to be along the right lines of what PP give out for their bonuses. What about giving one unit Sacred Ward for the duration of the game? If we get something like that then I suspect that it'd be Bastions or Knights, rather than Errants or Vengers. sacred ward knights or vengers would make errants not even seen in their own theme, and even given some of their recent snafus I can't see PP missing that fact. My bet: free exemplar solo/ca per 20 points of exemplar one unit of exemplar errants gains relentless charge for every unit of exemplar errants or knights, one warjack gains righteous vengeance. Now, My dream theme would be an interlocking series of buffs encouraging a variety, similar to the slivers of MTG. At the cost of free points, it would be this: First off, the Cinterator Senny exists, and the KES wold actually buff his guys in an update. For each exemplar errant senny, one non errant unit of exemplar gains AD. for each KES, one unit gains battle driven. Gravus would hand out blessed weaponry. Cinerator would give vengeance. Bastion would give tough. Basically, every seneschal would buff 2 units, heavily encouraging using a variety of troops. It would never be released, but I like to dream.... Cinerator have vengence already and gravus have dispal weapon already so i didn't thought he will have bless weapon and i still hope free solo or ua but i like your idea i hope: 20point for 1 small or medium solo or ua for each KE or Venger, 1 other unit gain battle driven for each errant, 1 other small or medium unit gain AD but i think, they only will give us 20point for 1 small or medium solo or ua 1 KE gain AM and 1 other benifit, hope it's 2 inch deployment or warjack gain righteous vengeance or another benifit make our army faster
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regleant
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Post by regleant on Apr 25, 2017 5:49:13 GMT
Kreoss is the only actual Exemplar. But remember in MK2, Testament had an Exemplar theme. Also, Harby has done a lot of work with the Exemplar (Gravus) in the fluff.
So that said, I look forward to an even-better High Reclaimer Knight Exemplar list, as well as Kreoss2 and Kreoss3. I think wishing for a Vindictus Exemplar theme would be too much, but then we look at Khador... maybe a bonus like "opponent may not take any offensive actions Round 1" would work. Fluff-wise, the glean from the armor is blinding the opposing army and they can't make out anything.
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 25, 2017 18:55:11 GMT
Please be as good as the Khador themes, please be as good as the Khador themes, please be good as the Khador themes... Also, Please be as good as the Legion themes, Please be as good as the Legion themes, Please be as good as the Legion themes....
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Post by gdnerd on Apr 25, 2017 21:14:30 GMT
I doubt they'd do it, but it'd be cool if they let you place a custom piece of terrain (4" template or such) that does some cool effect while in it (steady and spell immune?) within 20" of your board edge.
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 25, 2017 21:43:18 GMT
I doubt they'd do it, but it'd be cool if they let you place a custom piece of terrain (4" template or such) that does some cool effect while in it (steady and spell immune?) within 20" of your board edge. Or throwback to Warhammer fantasy and sacrifice something Turn 1 for prayers to gain a benefit
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Post by Swampmist on Apr 26, 2017 1:43:56 GMT
Please be as good as the Khador themes, please be as good as the Khador themes, please be good as the Khador themes... Also, Please be as good as the Legion themes, Please be as good as the Legion themes, Please be as good as the Legion themes.... please don't be as bad as Children of the Dragon, Please don't be as bad as Children of the Dragon, PLEASE don't be as bad as Children of the Dragon...!
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Post by demonic on Apr 26, 2017 4:17:34 GMT
tbh, I think they need to start giving themes to the practically themeless armies like Skorne who are dangling on the thread of 1 shitty ass theme. Both of our current themes are pretty good already, though I have no issue with adding one for exemplars since they don't fit with the guardians of the temple theme.
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 26, 2017 4:30:47 GMT
tbh, I think they need to start giving themes to the practically themeless armies like Skorne who are dangling on the thread of 1 shitty ass theme. Both of our current themes are pretty good already, though I have no issue with adding one for exemplars since they don't fit with the guardians of the temple theme. Skorne won't get themes right away as they got completeley redesigned and I'm sure PP is re-balancing thier themes. I'm terrified of the theme that allows double Ferox, free solos and gives benefits...*shudders*
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