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Post by Big Fat Troll on Sept 26, 2018 2:17:12 GMT
Have you guys seen this list yet? What do you think?
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Post by snotling on Sept 26, 2018 11:22:29 GMT
Yea, that list is played since the caracter nephilim are allowed in cotd.
Its good against its inteded targets, but really suffers vs nonliving, spellhate, shield guards and the like.
Also gets outgunned by most other gunlines.
But depending on the pairing it might have a place.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 26, 2018 12:18:41 GMT
Pretty much what I'm running right now trying to perfect. I've traded 1 unit of raptors for Swordsmen with Incubii (free) to deal a bit better with attrition and scenario presence. It has some failings but is seriously competent when it gets to do the things it wants to. It's gotten me through pretty easily against New Exemplar spam. Still trying it against Armored Core but dude changed his list again to be 3 huge bases... From experience Trolls and Circle will hate it. But Slayer spam the other night was "assassinate Gaspy or flail". Which I did... But I think I could have (with precision strike) carved up enough of the slayers that I could keep the game running until the raptors + Anyssa (opposite flanks) got around the army and chased Gaspy down. It's fun. It has a high return on investment. But has some resource limits.
[edit] Pursuit on Tibbers would have saved Azrael. But yeah, always ask if the opponent has side-step or overtake >.<
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Post by greyswandr on Oct 16, 2018 20:41:50 GMT
Just played this list against a friend of mine playing a Vlad 2 armored core list. I ended up making a very similar mistake as in the video except with Zuriel, as I forgot the victor has a 20" main gun. In the end I think this mistake ended up costing me the match, but even so I think the matchup into a lot of armored core is actually a pretty good one. 2 charging Raptors and Anyssa ripped a parasite'd battle engine off the table pretty handily and a feated Azrael boosting to hit with puppet master gets crits pretty reliably (I was slamming parasite'd demo core into each other on minifeat turn). About the only thing I couldn't handle were the shock troopers on one flank, but I also didn't get to toss parasite over there to see what happened.
In the end, the loss of Zuriel kept me from cleaning up the demo core before they could get feated on by vlad, at which point the two remaining hand of fated demo core killed Azrael and I lost out on scenario. Having so much valuable ranged presence makes live scenarios difficult. I was probably overly reluctant to use raptors to contest which allowed him to score 3 points on mirage bottom of 2. Given time, I think I could have chipped him down a few models at a time just by the fact that the list outranges him considerably, but scenario makes that very difficult.
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eauc
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Post by eauc on Oct 16, 2018 21:29:27 GMT
Pretty similar to my list except I don't play Zuriel since I think he's sh*t. Just a second bolt thrower, the BFS, and some gobbers in the mix. Pretty nasty.
The main problem with the list, is that your other list has to cover too wide a scope of matchups : pSkarre|coven/banes, asphy/jacks, cygnar gunlines, skorne (esp. Zaadesh2), grimkins bricks, some khadors build like old witch 2 rocketeer spam, osrum/bunnies... It's too hard to build another list that will cover appropriately such a range of extreme matchups.
I mostly played her with Twins in a "having fun is more important" approach, but against some matchups/factions (Cryx, skorne) you just know you're going to lose. On the other hand, I think it's pretty much the problem of blight outside of PT.
And when you pair pLylyth with a PT list, you end up playing the PT list almost every game, since stability. pLylyth is to risky agains most competitive pairings.
Maybe I should retry the list in a pairing with some Kallus or eThags or even Fyanna PT blob... ?
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Post by snotling on Oct 17, 2018 8:07:18 GMT
I really, really dont understand how that list is an "autowin" vs kallus1 primal terrors.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Oct 17, 2018 14:51:46 GMT
I really, really dont understand how that list is an "autowin" vs kallus1 primal terrors. Good poison bows + parasite murder Blightbringer and chosen dead. That only leaves birds and those are even easier to remove.
You just have to play according to the feat. If Kallus pops feat you kill the Chosen and BB. If he doesn't you kill tons of birds.
Nothing can run far enough to engage the raptors. Azrael is the most likely to die first but not before he hurts something. Zuriel can clean up any models in question.
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Post by snotling on Oct 17, 2018 20:06:40 GMT
I played it, and in reality it doesn't work out like that. The rotwings are in front, chosen behind, jam packed in the szenario. You dont actually get the bb, because he has three shield guards, and hardly a place for a spell marty in 8". And even if you land parasite, there will be no space to place the raptors in shooting range without killing a ton of birds in kallus feat first, and you dont have enough activations for that. You can kill a unit of chosen, but you wont kill the one without parasite on it. And with 20 rotwings alive, every piece you have in the scenario will die. And this is sr18, you cant really stay away like that.
If your games went different, id really like a play by play how you avoided that.
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Post by Falcen on Oct 17, 2018 23:03:57 GMT
I can't speak from experience about this match-up, but I catched two details: first, you can choose between Martyrs and Lylyth to apply Parasite, whichever you can manage - keeping Lyly safe or securing a landing spot for the martyr. Second, Anamag was waaay more prominent than pKallus. Only JVM and Nox played him in Chosen PT and I'm positive the birds become much more manageable without his feat. The AOE and sprays the list has should be enough then to clear a shooting corridor to the juicy targets.
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Post by snotling on Oct 18, 2018 3:49:13 GMT
There is no landing spot for the martyr, and there are three shield guards, as I wrote before. And even if i aply parasite, there is no place for all the raptors to get into 12" of the bb, without killing a lot of stuff. I wrote all of that in my post.
And i know it can handle anamag. But that is not the question.
I have played vs k1 in terrors since the cid, and it may take a while, but it will become way more prominent than anamag. The list just has fewer bad matchups
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Oct 18, 2018 10:16:34 GMT
Glad to see some K1 love. Really cool feat butI could never figure out a list I was content with (or maybe I just told myself that so O wouldn't have to buy zounds of incubi).
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Post by jojobrunnix on Oct 18, 2018 10:34:59 GMT
i have played kallus a lot bevore themes hit and a whole lot more since pt cid startet(check snotling kallus trauma fir reference ) bevore last week i only owned 10 incubi. it has been in an issue in less than 10 of all of my games with him. most people realize how bad an idea it is to spawn more than that
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Post by snotling on Oct 18, 2018 11:13:53 GMT
I wouldnt call it a trauma, but i have yet to figure out a list, that can handle kallus pt, isnt kallus pt, and does make any sence in a pairing.
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eauc
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Post by eauc on Oct 18, 2018 12:38:07 GMT
Maybe something with a a pair of archangels to consume the pigeons ?
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Post by jojobrunnix on Oct 18, 2018 13:29:07 GMT
soooo....using like 70 points to kill 10 vultures at best that then get killed horribel from chosen? i mean its a start i gues
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