germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Sept 22, 2018 12:49:47 GMT
I'm on a bit of a budget, but still want to expand my Cryx (assembly, maybe converting and painting... playing will come later because reasons...)
Looking at the theme box, it looks (and presumably is) good value (and since I want to get the BOI's for a couple of my SotBC/BI lists, even more so). For now, I want to one list it for SFR, so wondered who'd be a good caster from my current (intended) roster: Aggy; Denny1/2; Gaspy1; Scav; Skarre1; & Coven. And how would you expand the theme box to 75pts (no Scharde, pls... I kind of want to go for a medium based dominated army, and no Skarre3 as well, pls, as dear god I love her model, but damn, shipping her to my neck of the woods will cost an arm and a leg that I really don't have spare)?
Box contents for those who can't be bothered to look it up:
General Gerlak Slaughterborn (0) (presumably) Misery Cage (2) Black Ogrun Ironmongers (6) Bloodgorgers (15) + Jussika Bloodtongue (5) Scharde Dirge Seers (6)
I can add Axiara & the Satyxis BP to this easily with Axiara being my second free model, but what else to get? More Black Ogrun or Marauders? My inclination is towards the Marauders cos the Black Ogrun units seem to be a bit unfocussed... Aiakos?
Thoughts? Wisdom?
EDIT: Actually... did some quick maths and the box actually isn't worth it! Screw it... OK, plan B... still interested in doing an SFR list, I'll just get the pieces independently.
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Post by challenger on Sept 22, 2018 16:16:39 GMT
The box is only worth it if you want the new bloodgorgers. they use the marauder bodies and are bigger and meaner looking. the old bloodgorgers are smaller and less imposing.
as for good casters out of your list.. imo - Denny1, Gaspy1, Skarre1 are at the top of my list. I've heard some nice things about scaverous (him and gerlak = best buddies). Not enough experience on coven post nerfs to comment
After Axiara and Satyxis BP (both super key models) i think marauders are a solid pick. They're probably the best "all around" model in the theme since they have a gun that benefits from strength buffs, and a melee chain weapon.
Black Ogrun Boarding Party is actually a really cool unit, they have CRA guns just like marauders, except they hit harder than anything else in the theme (pow 15 with gang) before buffs. They're also insanely cheap points/boxes (11pts for 25 boxes). But definitely recommend marauders first.
There's some cute things you can do with skarre1 and marauders for example. like feat on a few marauders for +5 STR, then those feated models can lead CRAs and the 2 man CRA becomes RAT 8 POW 19 which is a pretty nice attack. Not to mention Gerlak + Dark Guidance is a great combo, especially if hes been cranked to a PS18 weaponmaster by feat
but really - its hard to go wrong with slaughter fleet. Everything in it is great except for maybe Scharde pirates, but even then i've seen denny1 running them because of all the spray 6" with her feat
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germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Sept 22, 2018 17:10:49 GMT
See, I looked at the prices of the box vs the individual prices (including the cost of the new resin Bloodgorgers under PIP 34103), and it's still cheaper to buy individually. That I order from UK suppliers may explain it, but eh... not much of an issue (can't really think what I'd do with a third Misery Cage in all honesty, too...). Anyway, you think the DSM are worth adding at all? I have them (albeit in the wrong part of the world, but hey...!)... Based on max Bloodgorgers and max Marauders with Dirge Seers and Ironmongers... getting the third free card is going to be annoying! Looking at Boarding Party & Cephalyx Overlords, that a viable infantry loadout you think?
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Post by germanicus on Sept 22, 2018 17:23:14 GMT
Should be worth a shot at least...
Denny1 (+26) - Satyxis Blood Priestess (4) - Nightmare (18) - Deathripper (6) - Deathripper (6)
Axiara Wraithblade (0) General Gerlak Slaughterborn (0) Misery Cage (2) Swamp Gobber River Raiders (4) Black Ogrun Boarding Party (11) Black Ogrun Ironmongers (6) Blighter Trollkin Marauders (15) Bloodgorgers (15) - Jussika Bloodtongue (0) Cephalyx Overlords (8) Scharde Dirge Seers (6)
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Post by Gamingdevil on Sept 23, 2018 6:56:18 GMT
Anyway, you think the DSM are worth adding at all? I have them (albeit in the wrong part of the world, but hey...!)... I think DSM are alright, but it's really hard to justify taking them over Overlords and you can't have both since PP neglected to write DSM into the theme as allowed models. I sometimes add them to a list just because I can (at least they count for free points), but Overlords are more often than not the better choice.
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Post by nirvanawn on Sept 24, 2018 5:22:28 GMT
Anyway, you think the DSM are worth adding at all? I have them (albeit in the wrong part of the world, but hey...!)... I think DSM are alright, but it's really hard to justify taking them over Overlords and you can't have both since PP neglected to write DSM into the theme as allowed models. I sometimes add them to a list just because I can (at least they count for free points), but Overlords are more often than not the better choice. This is incorrect. Based on line two on the theme DSm are not mercenary and do not count as your 1 unit. You can take both but havnt found a reason to. Overlords are my preferred unit.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Sept 24, 2018 6:38:44 GMT
I think DSM are alright, but it's really hard to justify taking them over Overlords and you can't have both since PP neglected to write DSM into the theme as allowed models. I sometimes add them to a list just because I can (at least they count for free points), but Overlords are more often than not the better choice. This is incorrect. Based on line two on the theme DSm are not mercenary and do not count as your 1 unit. You can take both but havnt found a reason to. Overlords are my preferred unit. Incorrect. They count as faction models after putting them in the list, but they still take up your Mercenary slot because they are not specifically allowed in the theme, just part of a benefit, and they are not encompassed by any of the options that are allowed to be taken. Note how Storm Division specifically allows Savio Montero Acosta as an allowed model to circumvent this problem. proof
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Post by gedditoffme on Sept 24, 2018 8:45:45 GMT
Since this is about slaughter fleet on a budget: does anyone else feel like marauders are the most expensive infantry unit in the game? For a 10 man plastic box without ua, I was expecting a bit more than half of what I’m seeing it sold for (~$70 Australian, vs sold for ~$125)
Also agree there’s not much discount in the all in one box.
Not sure you can go wrong with sfr though: a quick skim of WTC lists had a mix of infantry load outs, there was a lean toward more infantry than jacks, though you could still spend more than the minimum Wjp.
It really feels like a “play what you like the look of” list
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Post by tiberius on Sept 24, 2018 10:49:01 GMT
They are pretty on par with the trollkin 10 man boxes, at least the newer ones. That being said, they are the most expensive infantry you can buy for the sheer amount of material the minis have. I mean I have not checked around to verify but they are super expensive.
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Post by germanicus on Sept 25, 2018 3:12:16 GMT
Incorrect. They count as faction models after putting them in the list, but they still take up your Mercenary slot because they are not specifically allowed in the theme, just part of a benefit, and they are not encompassed by any of the options that are allowed to be taken. Note how Storm Division specifically allows Savio Montero Acosta as an allowed model to circumvent this problem. proofThat puzzled me as just adding 'Partisan: Cryx' to a unit seems a rather naff free extra benefit. Still, better than nothing and they will contribute to free stuff. But upon refreshing myself of their abilities (didn't really give them a look since the end of Mk2)... they don't really seem worth it. A bit of Skornergy as you really want Zira to have Assault so that the whole unit is relevant simultaneously (RNG 8" hurts... so they come across as a bit of a high-skill unit to use, or requires a somewhat obliging opponent). ... Question of the moment - Boarding Party or Smogbelchers...? -.-
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Post by Gamingdevil on Sept 25, 2018 5:41:20 GMT
Question of the moment - Boarding Party or Smogbelchers...? -.- Depends on what you want. Boarding Party are a cheap hard hitting unit with boxes. Smog Belchers are a solid ranged utility unit. I would say both
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germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Sept 25, 2018 14:16:32 GMT
Depends on what you want. Boarding Party are a cheap hard hitting unit with boxes. Smog Belchers are a solid ranged utility unit. I would say both Heh, knew it would be a case of function... but my wallet can only take so much. My inclination is towards the Boarding Party because they're pretty hard hitting and straight forward (I don't really want to use my brain atm...(!)), but that said, something amuses me about Axiara basically going 'have some Stealth' to the Smogbelchers on demand.
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Post by Grimolf on Sept 25, 2018 15:40:39 GMT
..., something amuses me about Axiara basically going 'have some Stealth' to the Smogbelchers on demand. I think she’ll be giving it to the Marauders too.
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germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Sept 25, 2018 16:14:19 GMT
I think she’ll be giving it to the Marauders too. Indeed... and that, too, amuses me much more than it should!
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Post by bward on Sept 26, 2018 4:07:47 GMT
Depends on what you want. Boarding Party are a cheap hard hitting unit with boxes. Smog Belchers are a solid ranged utility unit. I would say both Heh, knew it would be a case of function... but my wallet can only take so much. My inclination is towards the Boarding Party because they're pretty hard hitting and straight forward (I don't really want to use my brain atm...(!)), but that said, something amuses me about Axiara basically going 'have some Stealth' to the Smogbelchers on demand. Even better than stealth on demand is Axiara just throwing repo3 on them so fhey just move behind the clouds completely after shooting
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