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Post by deathbymelancholy on Sept 24, 2018 12:20:41 GMT
Is it just that your playstyle prefers high modelcount lists? If so that's completely fair. Personally I think two low model count armies is the peak of warmachine. It's a shame that the Scenario pack drives us away from it. I wouldn't even say "high" per se'. I have just never been able to pilot the low model count armies effectively. I have to have some kind of unit/buffer/screen. I come from mercenaries heavily, Trolls in mki, and Circle in mkii. And even in Circle my greatest success came with the lists that had some kind of infantry to them (Baldur1, Morvhanna2, Grayle). If anything I'm more of a "Give me a King and the great Troll infantry" sort of player.
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Post by datboi on Sept 25, 2018 17:04:24 GMT
Madrak2 is also a consideration in Storm. And Rök and u have a mat 8, pow19 berserk,overtake, warpath beast. Its kinda as good as Doomy2, gaining warpath during pacman is huge. Bears will push enemy right into his Army. Played it several times and its fun Sorry, can you clarify? How do you get berzerk and overtake if not using Doomy2?
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Sept 25, 2018 17:57:44 GMT
Madrak2 is also a consideration in Storm. And Rök and u have a mat 8, pow19 berserk,overtake, warpath beast. Its kinda as good as Doomy2, gaining warpath during pacman is huge. Bears will push enemy right into his Army. Played it several times and its fun Sorry, can you clarify? How do you get berzerk and overtake if not using Doomy2? That's what Madrak 2's feat does.
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Post by datboi on Sept 25, 2018 18:11:07 GMT
Sorry, can you clarify? How do you get berzerk and overtake if not using Doomy2? That's what Madrak 2's feat does. derp.....
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Sept 25, 2018 19:20:16 GMT
So... as for the Madrak 2 with Rok and Brawler list, I just can't justify not running any Bears. I did say that I could maybe do without the Axer though, because of his Field Marshal. So I think I made it work. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0G4XjniUjq6Gj20li-iZiZj5iTbKTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North [Madrak 2] Madrak Ironhide, World Ender [+28] - Dire Troll Brawler [16] - Rok [19] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Raiders (max) [15] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [5]
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Sept 25, 2018 19:43:34 GMT
Looks alot like GDNerds Phoenix open list, with M2 and group instead of the King. It's going to play different of course, just noting the similarity. I might throw it on a table this weekend and see how it goes. I'm still leaning more towards lists that can give them speed though.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Sept 25, 2018 19:56:58 GMT
Looks alot like GDNerds Phoenix open list, with M2 and group instead of the King. It's going to play different of course, just noting the similarity. I might throw it on a table this weekend and see how it goes. I'm still leaning more towards lists that can give them speed though. Yeah. I really want to play this now. Maybe I can actually make it to game day Thursday.
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Post by datboi on Sept 25, 2018 22:18:08 GMT
So... as for the Madrak 2 with Rok and Brawler list, I just can't justify not running any Bears. I did say that I could maybe do without the Axer though, because of his Field Marshal. So I think I made it work. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0G4XjniUjq6Gj20li-iZiZj5iTbKTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North [Madrak 2] Madrak Ironhide, World Ender [+28] - Dire Troll Brawler [16] - Rok [19] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Raiders (max) [15] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [5] That's exactly the list that I came up with. Kinda feel like it would be really nice to get Lanyssa in there to increase the charge threat of the brawler
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Post by datboi on Sept 25, 2018 22:20:22 GMT
I'm losing my *** thinking about weapon master bears
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 26, 2018 1:49:09 GMT
I'm losing my *** thinking about weapon master bears One unit will put down a Collossal. The only issue is berserk and overtake don’t interact very well with gang. Long riders with him are incredible. Mat 9 with fell caller, Pow 14 (16 on Charge) Potentially weaponmaster. One long rider can pac man through an entire unit of infantry. Or Hortholl who is Mat 8 Pow 17 under cold stone. Heck since you don’t need Strength to kill stuff you can just pop+1 SPD for that sweet 13” long rider threat or 11” Bear Threat. Throw in ambush from one unit of bears to force your opponent to clump up and then your blender is working wonders. It’s hard for the BG. I almost want to say Rok and 2 Axers over a brawler (primal has better return value on lights) but Mat 8 Pow 18 chain flails will wreck just about anything, and he can potentially kill an entire unit without spending a fury and still get into melee range to murder a heavy. Warpath + Overtake + Berserk is incredible.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Sept 26, 2018 11:06:18 GMT
Warpath + Overtake + Berserk is incredible. I forgot about Warpath. You could (potentially) use that as a ghetto version of Lanyssa if you setup the turn before. Raiders are mostly there to die, so they might as well give you some threat potential. So you've got +2 warpath, stone for SPD instead of strength as an option when the Brawler goes in. It's not "the worst". I would miss Lanyssa as well, but she's become quite the crutch in my lists lately, and I'm not completely comfortable with that either, so kind of a trade off. Weaponmaster bears does sound very interesting...
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 26, 2018 19:23:55 GMT
I forgot about Warpath. You could (potentially) use that as a ghetto version of Lanyssa if you setup the turn before. Raiders are mostly there to die, so they might as well give you some threat potential. So you've got +2 warpath, stone for SPD instead of strength as an option when the Brawler goes in. It's not "the worst". I would miss Lanyssa as well, but she's become quite the crutch in my lists lately, and I'm not completely comfortable with that either, so kind of a trade off. Weaponmaster bears does sound very interesting... Warpath and cold stone alone give the brawler a 14" threat, that is much better than "not the worst" lol Why not add lanyssa in? Hunters Mark is always nice to have and 16" threat is pretty impressive. Weaponmaster bears is typically overkill, weaponmaster Long riders however...
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Sept 26, 2018 19:41:11 GMT
Warpath and cold stone alone give the brawler a 14" threat, that is much better than "not the worst" lol Why not add lanyssa in? Hunters Mark is always nice to have and 16" threat is pretty impressive. Weaponmaster bears is typically overkill, weaponmaster Long riders however... I was being facetious/sarcastic. Sadly, internet. Actually with Overtake at those ranges you'll have to be careful not to leave M2's control range by accident. Lanyssa is going to be hard to do without losing something critical. It may just have to be enough as is. We get all these "free" points now but the lists still seem very tight to me in Trolls. Whereas when I play Ret I'm always saying "Oh wow, I still have X points left".
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Post by datboi on Sept 26, 2018 19:59:04 GMT
What would be most ideal is if you didn't have to use warpath for engagement, but use it to bridge your berzerk/overtake chain. To me that's the benefit that Lanyssa brings: she gets your non-warpath threat range up to more respectable levels
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 26, 2018 21:22:31 GMT
What would be most ideal is if you didn't have to use warpath for engagement, but use it to bridge your berzerk/overtake chain. To me that's the benefit that Lanyssa brings: she gets your non-warpath threat range up to more respectable levels Having it for both is excellent. Although a Natural 10" threat is pretty nice if you use it as a second wave model even without hunters mark
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