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Post by W0lfBane on May 1, 2017 17:22:17 GMT
I'll specify non-BG here (hoping to get it used with zealots and Cleansers,) and 2 of those are Sevvy1 Kreoss 3 also has death sentence. Speaking of cleansers. Veterans leader on feora. The sunburst crews can get veteran leader from the arms master.
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Post by Swampmist on May 1, 2017 17:27:16 GMT
Just a moment, I think maybe the lack of buffs to this in faction is intentional? I would love for the Gun Carriage to Apply Rust (Would make khadors game much more powerful) but doesn't mean we are gonna get it. Not when they've specifically said that the Vessel is meant to be a support piece and not a gun platform, as opposed to the Gun Carriage which is a board-control focused tank. Also, I've thought about Kreoss3, but he really doesn't want to give up points for moar vengers.
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Post by W0lfBane on May 1, 2017 17:30:05 GMT
My favorite Kreoss 3 list has zero vengers and all the guns
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 1, 2017 17:39:09 GMT
Not when they've specifically said that the Vessel is meant to be a support piece and not a gun platform, as opposed to the Gun Carriage which is a board-control focused tank. Well what if it was a support piece would you support Khador having access to Rust?
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Post by macdaddy on May 1, 2017 18:06:54 GMT
Not when they've specifically said that the Vessel is meant to be a support piece and not a gun platform, as opposed to the Gun Carriage which is a board-control focused tank. Well what if it was a support piece would you support Khador having access to Rust? Why in the world would Khador need rust? The VoJ is a support platform that offers skornergystic support to a lot of our casters. It needs to be better at its job as a anchor for the army. Gun carriage has issues but it's a line breaking gun platform. It doesn't need rust to support, it needs to hit harder or do more offensive work itself.
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Post by Swampmist on May 1, 2017 18:24:11 GMT
Not when they've specifically said that the Vessel is meant to be a support piece and not a gun platform, as opposed to the Gun Carriage which is a board-control focused tank. Well what if it was a support piece would you support Khador having access to Rust? Rust is, what, +2 damage against jacks? Meh, kinda overkill imho. If it were a support piece, I would expect it to lose speed and health, and pick up more shot types like flare and\or "models directly hit are charged for free." Then probably something to buff Winter guard, like leadership, tough aura or recursion. BUT, it is not designated as a support piece, so none of those things make sense for their intended design goals.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 1, 2017 18:32:46 GMT
My point was rhetorical. Point being that I doubt that PP would give a no thrills attached flat out Accuracy Boost to Menoth After making a big deal of taking it away.
Im not saying that the Vessel doesn't need better synergy and design, Im saying that certain factions are known by what they have or don't.
I don't ever expect no thrills dispel options for Khador (Sans obvious caster ones).
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Post by Cryptix on May 1, 2017 19:18:04 GMT
My point was rhetorical. Point being that I doubt that PP would give a no thrills attached flat out Accuracy Boost to Menoth After making a big deal of taking it away. Im not saying that the Vessel doesn't need better synergy and design, Im saying that certain factions are known by what they have or don't. I don't ever expect no thrills dispel options for Khador (Sans obvious caster ones). The problems with this argument is that Khador is supposed to be slow, yet I can name like 3 casters that don't have a speed buff of some kid.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 1, 2017 20:00:40 GMT
The problems with this argument is that Khador is supposed to be slow, yet I can name like 3 casters that don't have a speed buff of some kid. So your arguing that Khador then gets a Damage buff independent of Caster?
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Post by Swampmist on May 1, 2017 20:02:14 GMT
The problems with this argument is that Khador is supposed to be slow, yet I can name like 3 casters that don't have a speed buff of some kid. So your arguing that Khador then gets a Damage buff independent of Caster? If the Gun Carriage were designed as a support piece? Sure, if that's what khador needs. I highly doubt it is in any capacity, and there are much better options (making Winter Guard tougher, helping guns hit, mitigating stealth, ect.)
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Post by Cryptix on May 1, 2017 20:11:47 GMT
The problems with this argument is that Khador is supposed to be slow, yet I can name like 3 casters that don't have a speed buff of some kid. So your arguing that Khador then gets a Damage buff independent of Caster? No, I'm saying that for all that "faction identity" they keep talking about (the fluff blurb on the website says they're slow and enduring), it doesn't matter half the time. Why should it now?
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Post by W0lfBane on May 1, 2017 20:26:29 GMT
What if it was curse [friendly faction warrior models] would that appease the rowdy dragon?
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 1, 2017 20:31:43 GMT
What if it was curse [friendly faction warrior models] would that appease the rowdy dragon? Im not necessarily appeased or not, my opinion in this case doesn't matter. If PP thinks Menoth would benefit (And wouldn't unbalance) from their support pieces getting a pretty hefty universal accuracy buff sure I guess? But I highly doubt it will happen because that level of universal buff is what entire factions are built AROUND.
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Post by Swampmist on May 1, 2017 20:54:26 GMT
Are they? it's essentially a rng 10" flare shot that doesn't remove stealth and would likely be a miracle that costs damage from the engine. CoC creates flare aoe's from 1 point (I think?) servitors that are short range enough to never miss (had it happen to me constantly the past weekend.)
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Post by W0lfBane on May 1, 2017 21:03:49 GMT
Yeah curse only affects one enemy model/unit so it's not like it's a carte Blanche really
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