Post by Deller on Aug 16, 2018 16:18:26 GMT
Deller would you mind elaborating on the Deneghra 2 Black Industries matchup? I've played it before (DJ + Nightmare, 2 Seethers on Aiakos) and it really sucks. With Guidance from the Extoller Soulwards, the tortoises don't care about the feat and still easily kill a heavy. Cryx heavies except Deathjack can't really kill a battle engine 1-on-1 and Castigate makes it difficult to apply Curse of Shadows, not to mention you can hardly fuel your jacks if you use it) They also easily outthreat you and a good feat turn with Rasheth can still kill or cripple quite some stuff, even with Carapace. I did admittedly have the extra weakness of Aiakos, because with Guidance he can kill him (not going to risk him rolling a 9), but I don't see the Slayer version doing much better as you lose at least 2-3 before you can do anything.
psyllus nice write-up. I luckily don't face them often, but you just scared me even more...
Grimolf the POW 11 attacks don't knock down, that's the POW 18 attacks that it can buy and that is boosted on the charge. The POW 11's don't really do much except unjam itself.
Skorne Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Winds of Death
[Rasheth 1] Dominar Rasheth [+28]
- Basilisk Krea [7]
- Cyclops Raider [9]
- Cyclops Shaman [8]
- Cyclops Shaman [8]
Extoller Soulward [0(3)]
Extoller Soulward [3]
Feralgeist [2]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [0(4)]
Venator Dakar [0(4)]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5]
Venator Reivers (max) [15]
- Venator Reiver Officer & Standard [4]
Venator Slingers (min) [8]
Siege Animantarax [17]
Siege Animantarax [17]
Sometimes they have 1-2 Agonizors, and sometimes only one Extoller, but the only things in this list that are really taking down Slayers or Deathjack are the Turtles. Reivers & Slingers May be able to cripple one, but they’re probably not going to actually kill one outright thanks to Carapace, and we have Iron Mongers to stay fully functional. The standard Deneghra2 list I’ve seen played, and played myself is Deathjack & 5 Slayers with variation in the support models. You have 6 Heavies, Rasheth has 2 Turtles. Offer up 2 Slayers, a Turtle will come Charging in & probably kill both. Then send Deathjack into the turtle & kill it. When Rasheth sends his second Turtle in to kill Deathjack, kill the second Turtle with the remaining 3 Slayers. 3 Boosted pow 22 Combo Strikes from Charging Slayers deals 36 damage on average before buffs & debuffs come into play. If you can land a Curse of Shadows, have the focus to buy a second Attack & boost damage, or add some chip damage with Boosted Nightwretch Shots the math swings in Deneghra’s favor. If Rasheth doesn’t take the trades you offer him just push for a scenario win. Venom & Hellmouth will clear his Infantry trivially. Castigate isn’t as big of a deal as I first thought. If Rasheth is forwards enough that Castigate is super relevant it means he’s probably close enough to assassinate. Even with Impervious Flesh, a heavy, especially Deathjack, applied to Rasheth’s face still kills him most of the time.