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Post by gedditoffme on Aug 10, 2018 13:15:56 GMT
Hello,
Haven’t seen any talk of him yet. Firstly, he looks like a straight copy paste of Stryker 1, but positive charge is neat.
Second, he is labelled steelhead captain, but I feel his feat and positive charge lean more toward nomad spam (or nomads or manglers). Maybe a jamming unit of halverds and riflesto benefit from advance move.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Aug 10, 2018 15:11:45 GMT
he not tournament legal so how u build ur goofy list with a goofy caster to win ur goofy game is up to u
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Post by gedditoffme on Aug 10, 2018 22:31:58 GMT
He's a summer league caster, and if you're arguing discussing one version of pushing plastic models and rolling dice is less serious than another then you don't have to take part
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Post by crow on Aug 11, 2018 0:32:02 GMT
I think what shoe was trying to say (in his usual unhelpful manner) was that you probably won’t get a ton of feed back on him since he isn’t tourney leagal. Most people who play won’t play a caster that isn’t tourney leagal because I’m many cases they just don’t get enough games in, and even if they do you end up putting in time and effort into a caster you can never bring to a tournament. So most just don’t feel it’s worth it
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Post by shoe on Aug 11, 2018 0:51:56 GMT
whut cow said.
liek, if u were like "hai gaiz i made this list with caine3 and 5 mules and i was going to pair it wid constass blaize and 5 mules and go try to win aderpticon what do u think???" i would have something very helpful to say to you about it
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Post by gobber on Aug 11, 2018 2:24:10 GMT
liek, if u were like "hai gaiz i made this list with caine3 and 5 mules and i was going to pair it wid constass blaize and 5 mules and go try to win aderpticon what do u think???" i would have something very helpful to say to you about it Swap one of them for ossrum, be brandon andrews, rake in the wins? I've tried Stryker-1 twice; once with 2x idrians 2x eliminators aiyana and 5 nomads, once with a galleon and a ton of steelheads. He felt a little focus strapped for all those nomads, though the arm/boxes/feat was solid and I was able to get a good spread of positive charge'd for the idrians. Steelheads will be really interesting after CID, as will the Galleon assuming it gets cheaper. Getting a unit of cav up to def20 on the way in will be sweet once they get touched up a bit.
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Post by gedditoffme on Aug 11, 2018 3:45:06 GMT
liek, if u were like "hai gaiz i made this list with caine3 and 5 mules and i was going to pair it wid constass blaize and 5 mules and go try to win aderpticon what do u think???" i would have something very helpful to say to you about it Swap one of them for ossrum, be brandon andrews, rake in the wins? I've tried Stryker-1 twice; once with 2x idrians 2x eliminators aiyana and 5 nomads, once with a galleon and a ton of steelheads. He felt a little focus strapped for all those nomads, though the arm/boxes/feat was solid and I was able to get a good spread of positive charge'd for the idrians. Steelheads will be really interesting after CID, as will the Galleon assuming it gets cheaper. Getting a unit of cav up to def20 on the way in will be sweet once they get touched up a bit. An invincible Galleon is tempting - upkeeping arcane shield is better / easier than batten down the hatches, with another +5arm on feat turn. As you mention, it helps out the poor focus 6 caster too to have a single jack. And a big base to project Positive Charge is good too. Tempting to try in Kingmakers too - Blur on Trenchers could be interesting, and if he was just going to play steelheads and jacks anyway he may as well do it in the steelhead theme. Love the alternate history feel of him building the Kingmakers in Magnus' place if their fates were switched in the Lions Coup. Almost wish it was "Stryker the Traitor" - he did attempt to overthrow his king after all. Is the Steelhead CiD still on the cards? Thought there was talk of it being delayed / cancelled.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Aug 11, 2018 5:18:38 GMT
Since my regular opponent is a Cygnar player I'm tempted to run Stryker just for the novelty of having him on my side for a change... it should be entertaining.
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Post by Zeykk on Aug 14, 2018 16:26:31 GMT
Our local tournament organizer is holding a alternate history caster steamroller late September so I'll be using him for at least 3 games.
I just can't find a build I like with him. He has so many things he wants to do in a turn, and doesn't have the focus to do it. He really really wants those Steelhead Arcanist, but that won't happen. I have 2 versions of him I'm kind of kicking around. Neither have the Galleon as I don't own one, and won't be purchasing one unless it's obtained through the mystery box or mystery box trades. Version 1 is multiple nomads and talons with 2 units of halberders and Alexia. The problem here is focus. I have too much to do with it and not enough focus to do it (you would think we would be use to it now with our faction having an overabundance of focus 6 casters). The other idea is units of halberdiers and forgeguard and to just leverage blur/deflection on the advance and feat with the forgeguard when/if they make it to melee.
Not really fond of either of these options but it's what I can do with what I have. I don't own 5 nomads or a galleon and have no intention of buying more (still looking for a reason to use my 5 drillers). I would try 2 units of Idrians, but I only have access to 1 unit (through borrowing).
Good luck out there. Seems to be an interesting caster that is starved for focus. I also echo the above sentiments in that there's not a lot of incentive to use him due to limited opportunity for players to get games in. At least in my meta, we have a couple local stores that alternate timings of steamrollers, and steamrollers are the time players are able to reliably get games in. So playing a non-legal caster just isn't ideal or possible (our one-off steamroller notwithstanding as these will be my first and last games with him).
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Post by borderprince on Aug 14, 2018 18:52:16 GMT
Our local tournament organizer is holding a alternate history caster steamroller late September so I'll be using him for at least 3 games. I just can't find a build I like with him. He has so many things he wants to do in a turn, and doesn't have the focus to do it. He really really wants those Steelhead Arcanist, but that won't happen. I have 2 versions of him I'm kind of kicking around. Neither have the Galleon as I don't own one, and won't be purchasing one unless it's obtained through the mystery box or mystery box trades. Version 1 is multiple nomads and talons with 2 units of halberders and Alexia. The problem here is focus. I have too much to do with it and not enough focus to do it (you would think we would be use to it now with our faction having an overabundance of focus 6 casters). The other idea is units of halberdiers and forgeguard and to just leverage blur/deflection on the advance and feat with the forgeguard when/if they make it to melee. Try jack marshalling the Talons? It takes some of the Focus load off Stryker and he doesn't have any battlegroup only buffs. Rutger marshalling a Talon is a decent option. You can still use them as Positive Charge nodes. Lanyssa would also be a good option, as the free charges should help.
Something like:
Stryker -1
- Nomad
- Nomad
- Nomad
Steelhead Halberdiers (max)
Steelhead Halberdiers (max)
Forgeguard (max)
Kayazy Eliminators
Alexia1 + Risen
Dirty Meg
- Talon
Rutger
- Talon
Lanyssa
Ragman
Rupert
The Talons + Disruptor pistol let you both disrupt and stationary a single jack a turn, which is handy and doesn't cost any Focus. They're also Positive Charge nodes for the Halberdiers, who with Ragman hit quite hard. Forgeguard get Arcane Shield turn 1 and follow as the final wave. Rupert + Deflection is decent anti-shooting for your screen, and pathfinder when necessary. Lanyssa gets free charges for jacks and a threat extension, helping jacks do more without allocating too much Focus.
Even with all this he's still quite Focus strapped. You have to choose what to upkeep or cast every turn. But this is a game of resource allocation.
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Post by Zeykk on Aug 14, 2018 20:34:52 GMT
Your gameplan is similar to mine on paper. My intentions with Talons are to be positive charge bots so I don't think I need them to have any more focus beyond powerup. Though with all of the warrior models on the board flank might be useful. Just not sold on the idea as I don't own Meg and not really a fan of Shaw (.5" reach is a pain point for me). Your solos look similar to what I was considering (Ragman because... Ragman; Rhupert to combo with no sleeping on the job and concealment when needed is nice).
All in all, I like where your head is above. Hopefully this gives the OP some direction he wants to try as it seems like he was set on using him.
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Post by Zeykk on Sept 17, 2018 22:38:26 GMT
I debated about starting a new thread or just tacking it on to here. In an effort to avoid clutter, I'm going to hijack the thread as it hasn't had activity for some time.
Soon, my meta will be holding a Summer Rampage steamroller-esque event. Everyone is required to bring an alt-history warcaster army. Themes are allowed, but the TO will be giving some fun, custom benefits for those playing out of theme. The reason we are doing a SR type event is it's hard to pin down a large number of our players, so this gives everyone 3 guaranteed games and our newer players looking to transition into more competitive play a safe, fun place to gain confidence. All rounds will be using the summer rampage scenario.
Now on to the meat and potatoes of my query. I'll be fielding Stryker, whom is out of my comfort zone. I predominately play Rhulic heavy lists or Hammerstrike. I've branched into the Resistence, but as it stands I don't have much experience playing outside of those areas of focus; I haven't needed to to be successful.
Below are two ideas I'm tossing around and would like some input in an effort to encourage some discussion. Note, I do not own a 4th Nomad, Meg (or any jackmarshal beyond Thor), the Galleon, or a Rover, Mule, or more than 2 talons, or more than 2 steelhead units. So the whacky, fun combos are unavailable to me. So without further delay:
My first Kingmakers List. Seems pretty standard. Heavies are what they are because I had 10 points left and couldn't figure out what to do with them. Could easily be 3 nomads and a light, etc. Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Kingmaker's Army
[Stryker -1] Steelhead Captain Stryker [+28] - Mangler [15] - Mangler [15] - Toro [13] Kell Bailoch [0(5)] Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [0(5)] Stannis Brocker [0(7)] Greygore Boomhowler & Co. (min) [11] Steelhead Halberdiers (max) [11] Steelhead Halberdiers (max) [11] Trencher Infantry (max) [16] - Trencher Infantry Officer & Sniper [5] - Trencher Infantry Rifle Grenadier (3) [6]
The other idea plays on some models I'm comfortable with. The solos are basically pathfinder on a stick. Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Irregulars
[Stryker -1] Steelhead Captain Stryker [+28] - Nomad [11] - Nomad [11] - Talon [7] - Talon [7] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker [0(4)] Anastasia di Bray [3] Ragman [0(4)] Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [0(4)] Saxon Orrik [0(4)] Alexia Ciannor & the Risen [10] Horgenhold Forge Guard (min) [10] Horgenhold Forge Guard (max) [16] Horgenhold Forge Guard (max) [16] Press Gangers (max) [12]
Thoughts, questions, comments, etc. are welcome. The event is supposed to be fun, but the goal is for the list to be quality enough to handle the sharks that are coming to throw down.
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Post by shoe on Sept 18, 2018 0:46:25 GMT
so u want it to be fun but also good but not too good so u can finish mebbe 3rd...
dat is a toughie...
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Post by Zeykk on Sept 18, 2018 0:58:55 GMT
Agreed; maybe I'm asking too much, and should just ask for recommendations on improving the list, and I'll just have fun with it. How about that
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Post by borderprince on Sept 18, 2018 5:17:07 GMT
Below are two ideas I'm tossing around and would like some input in an effort to encourage some discussion. Note, I do not own a 4th Nomad, Meg (or any jackmarshal beyond Thor), the Galleon, or a Rover, Mule, or more than 2 talons, or more than 2 steelhead units. So the whacky, fun combos are unavailable to me. So without further delay: My first Kingmakers List. Seems pretty standard. Heavies are what they are because I had 10 points left and couldn't figure out what to do with them. Could easily be 3 nomads and a light, etc. Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Kingmaker's Army [Stryker -1] Steelhead Captain Stryker [+28] - Mangler [15] - Mangler [15] - Toro [13] Kell Bailoch [0(5)] Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [0(5)] Stannis Brocker [0(7)] Greygore Boomhowler & Co. (min) [11] Steelhead Halberdiers (max) [11] Steelhead Halberdiers (max) [11] Trencher Infantry (max) [16] - Trencher Infantry Officer & Sniper [5] - Trencher Infantry Rifle Grenadier (3) [6] The other idea plays on some models I'm comfortable with. The solos are basically pathfinder on a stick. Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Irregulars [Stryker -1] Steelhead Captain Stryker [+28] - Nomad [11] - Nomad [11] - Talon [7] - Talon [7] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker [0(4)] Anastasia di Bray [3] Ragman [0(4)] Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [0(4)] Saxon Orrik [0(4)] Alexia Ciannor & the Risen [10] Horgenhold Forge Guard (min) [10] Horgenhold Forge Guard (max) [16] Horgenhold Forge Guard (max) [16] Press Gangers (max) [12] Thoughts, questions, comments, etc. are welcome. The event is supposed to be fun, but the goal is for the list to be quality enough to handle the sharks that are coming to throw down. I prefer the second list, but that may be because it includes Alexia1 and Talons, both of which I really like. Might 2 max Halberdiers work as well or better as the Pressgangers + min Forgeguard? It's more bodies (I know there's nice theoretical recursion with Pressgangers to make up for that, but it so often seems to end up as theory, at least to me) and in my view better quality ones than the Pressgangers. If you've got access to Lanyssa, I'd also really think about taking her (perhaps in preference to Sylys) - a free charge for a Positive Charge jack can make a big difference in overall output, and increasing the threat range of Forgeguard is never a bad idea.
In the Kingmakers list, I've never had much success with the Grenadiers (except Damiano, where making the unit bigger is better). I'd consider downgrading the Toro to a Nomad, drop the Grenadiers and add a Talon, with one point spare. Another jack isn't a bad thing.
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