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Post by Rork on Jul 25, 2018 9:28:12 GMT
I've got a local champions event coming up in September, and I thought I'd mix up my usual Kraye list to be...heavier. Kraye Squire 2 x Centurions 2 x Ironclads 2 x Hunters Reliant Journeyman - Sentinel Strangewayes Min mechaniks Normally, my Kraye list would be very similar, but there would be Thunderhead and two minutemen instead of the Ironclads and Reliant. Does the heavy spam seem like a good way to go? I'll probably test it out next week. It's paired with Siege2 Gravediggers, which I'm actually pretty happy with based on two games: Siege2 Hunter Triumph Max Trencher Infantry with UA Max Commandos with UA and 1 WA 2 x Express Teams 2 x TMGs Hitch, Finn, Ragman, patrol dog, Gibbs, 2 Trench Busters (I am wondering about switching back to the Thunderhead build since that may handle dudes a little better than Siege )
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Post by mydnight on Jul 25, 2018 11:32:43 GMT
The thing with heavy spam is you won't really have anything to trigger the feat effectively for you. You don't have good aoes (not so sure about reliant) nor things that see through stealth. Basically the hunters and kraye himself will have to trigger it.
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Post by Rork on Jul 25, 2018 13:14:10 GMT
The thing with heavy spam is you won't really have anything to trigger the feat effectively for you. You don't have good aoes (not so sure about reliant) nor things that see through stealth. Basically the hunters and kraye himself will have to trigger it. Oh, absolutely. 4 RAT7 (and that incidental Reliant) shots should be enough to pick out the targets I need. In an ideal world, I would probably try a SotT list, but right now I only really own one of each AT choice besides the GMCA. The Reliant is in there solely because I had 14pts after making a solo free (It was a minuteman briefly). The gun might be useful for the feat or it's still another heavy to go and smack things around a bit with. A lot of me still prefers my original build since Thunderhead and the Minutemen give Kraye a serious amount of infantry clearing. The main benefit to heavy spam is that Wind Storm casters don't make it quite so sad.
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Post by bloodsplatterartist on Jul 25, 2018 16:04:50 GMT
I'm pretty sure there was a kraye SOT list floating around a while back that involved centurion spam and all the armor fixing mercs that ran a limited number of gun mages models.
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Post by sludgeogre on Jul 25, 2018 16:09:03 GMT
Kraye doesn't need a lot of shots to activate his feat and I was able to do it with him and a couple chargers for a while, but his Heavy Metal lists are really bad in the current SR packet and in the current meta. He does actually run better in SoT and SD because of having screening unuts for super squishy Cygnar jacks. You have to be insanely good to make it work and I think it honestly works best with 4 Centurions since that has some staying power. I've tried to make it work and I just can't.
I don't own any SoT models and don't plan to any time soon so Kraye is on the shelf for a while for me, but I think he still has a great kit and great potential.
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Post by bloodsplatterartist on Jul 25, 2018 16:14:26 GMT
Found it.
War Room Army
Cygnar - New Army
Theme: Sons of the Tempest 1 / 1 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Captain Jeremiah Kraye - WJ: +28 - Squire - PC: 0 - Centurion - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Centurion - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) - Centurion - PC: 17 - Centurion - PC: 17
Lieutenant Bastian Falk - PC: 5 Captain Arlan Strangewayes - PC: 4 Ragman - PC: 4
Black 13th Strike Force - Lynch, Ryan, & Watts: 10 Lady Aiyana & Master Holt - Lady Aiyana & Master Holt: 8 - Captain Jonas Murdoch - PC: 4
The various mercs and solos let you end up with a 6 point pow swing on your centurions Wich helps with his one weakness of being pillow fisted.
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Post by Rork on Jul 25, 2018 17:46:40 GMT
Although the thought had crossed my mind, I can't be arsed to buy another two centurions (I seriously have way too much Cygnar as it is). I could do something completely mad like Stormclad and Defender.
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Post by chubnasty on Jul 25, 2018 18:03:06 GMT
Found it. War Room Army Cygnar - New Army Theme: Sons of the Tempest 1 / 1 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Captain Jeremiah Kraye - WJ: +28 - Squire - PC: 0 - Centurion - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Centurion - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) - Centurion - PC: 17 - Centurion - PC: 17 Lieutenant Bastian Falk - PC: 5 Captain Arlan Strangewayes - PC: 4 Ragman - PC: 4 Black 13th Strike Force - Lynch, Ryan, & Watts: 10 Lady Aiyana & Master Holt - Lady Aiyana & Master Holt: 8 - Captain Jonas Murdoch - PC: 4 The various mercs and solos let you end up with a 6 point pow swing on your centurions Wich helps with his one weakness of being pillow fisted. SotT is not one of the themes for Champions. It would have to be HM if paired with Siege2 GD.
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Post by bloodsplatterartist on Jul 25, 2018 18:08:55 GMT
Ah forgot about the changes to champions. My meta usually just does masters.
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Post by Rork on Jul 25, 2018 20:17:05 GMT
Ah forgot about the changes to champions. My meta usually just does masters. This will be my first Champions event and is currently a one-off among the local tournaments. Somehow one of these two needs to be an answer into Anamag, I expect!
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kaernak
Junior Strategist
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Post by kaernak on Jul 25, 2018 21:20:53 GMT
I'm currently running:
Kraye -Squire -2 Centurion -2 Hammersmith -2 Ironclad Journeyman -Charger Strangeways Aiyana & Holt -Murdoch
It has played into infantry spam pretty well but I haven't run it into any cryx yet so I'm not sure how the slayer spam match goes.
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moccus
Baby's First Wargame
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Post by moccus on Jul 26, 2018 10:20:00 GMT
How about fielding a Storm Strider with him in HM? He doesn't do anything for it, but it gives guns, infantry clearing, and something for Kraye to hide behind.
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Post by bluebarren on Jul 27, 2018 11:48:47 GMT
I kinda like this: (or something similar) Kraye Squire Centurionx3 Ironcladx2 Arlan Jr Charger Caine0 Ace (for feat) Lynus and edrea
It’s got a ton of metal to hurt stuff, ace to trigger feat vs clouds and stealth, also ace, Caine, and kraye can clear a decent amount of chaff infantry or support. And Lynus and Edrea to try to deal with clouds so you can still get charges off vs most cloud based lists, also they’re a unit, which is necessary in the current SR. My biggest issue is that you need 2 jacks to kill a khador heavy on feat turn (really like 1.5), and there’s really no way to add a damage buff to the list without making major changes.
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Post by mydnight on Jul 28, 2018 22:09:36 GMT
Caine0 is an interesting way to make HM more SotT
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