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Post by mcdermott on Oct 28, 2018 17:48:48 GMT
TBH the proper response was for these mini factions to be secondary factions for people playing a supported one, not things that people hitch their primary wagon to.
If you reacted with "I'm going to make this my primary faction" to something design said was not going to be supported the same way you kinda only have yourself to blame.
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Post by crow on Oct 28, 2018 18:58:04 GMT
TBH the proper response was for these mini factions to be secondary factions for people playing a supported one, not things that people hitch their primary wagon to. If you reacted with "I'm going to make this my primary faction" to something design said was not going to be supported the same way you kinda only have yourself to blame. Totally agree. I mean I did it, but I also don’t play that often due to time restrictions and other complications, have space reatrictions and financial limitations. So for someone like me? The mini faction is great. True, over time I will have a harder and harder time, but something tells me PP will always make sure I have SOME relevant play, and I’m okay with that
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 28, 2018 23:58:03 GMT
TBH the proper response was for these mini factions to be secondary factions for people playing a supported one, not things that people hitch their primary wagon to. If you reacted with "I'm going to make this my primary faction" to something design said was not going to be supported the same way you kinda only have yourself to blame. Totally agree. I mean I did it, but I also don’t play that often due to time restrictions and other complications, have space reatrictions and financial limitations. So for someone like me? The mini faction is great. True, over time I will have a harder and harder time, but something tells me PP will always make sure I have SOME relevant play, and I’m okay with that I mean i LOVE the idea and aesthetic of CoC, AND the Crucible guard but i mean...cmon
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Post by Korianneder on Oct 29, 2018 1:00:28 GMT
Totally agree. I mean I did it, but I also don’t play that often due to time restrictions and other complications, have space reatrictions and financial limitations. So for someone like me? The mini faction is great. True, over time I will have a harder and harder time, but something tells me PP will always make sure I have SOME relevant play, and I’m okay with that I mean i LOVE the idea and aesthetic of CoC, AND the Crucible guard but i mean...cmon I use convergence and crucible guard as my main factions. Especially in mk3 the theme force edition. There's really only one or two themes in each faction that are competitive, and it's pretty much universally the ones that went through cid last. A shit ton of legion players were angry that the dragons they got into the faction for were being looked over in favor of blighted ogrun. What if I play Khador but like the assault commandos more than man of wars? Cause there's a whole thread of people Female Doging assault commandos aren't good on their forum. Do they only have themselves to blame for liking one theme over another? Or is it more likely that everyone has valid complaints?
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 29, 2018 2:03:11 GMT
And whats the primary difference between legion and Khador and CoC and CG?
Oh thats right, one pair has had design come right out and say they're getting less support while the other pair are full support factions. The AK thing is barely serious and i say that as a long term khador player.
And the hard reality is you decided to make two limited support factions your main armies. Dont get mad when they get limited support, its like when a waiter puts the plate in front of you and says "careful its hot" then getting mad because you grabbed it and burned yourself.
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Post by Korianneder on Oct 29, 2018 2:58:30 GMT
And whats the primary difference between legion and Khador and CoC and CG? Oh thats right, one pair has had design come right out and say they're getting less support while the other pair are full support factions. The AK thing is barely serious and i say that as a long term khador player. And the hard reality is you decided to make two limited support factions your main armies. Dont get mad when they get limited support, its like when a waiter puts the plate in front of you and says "careful its hot" then getting mad because you grabbed it and burned yourself. I never claimed to be mad. I actually prefer limited factions because I can be competitive with fewer models. Why own a full faction when most models are unplayable anyway? My point is that every player tends to complain about something but for some reason convergence players aren't aloud to complain about their faction because of some vague statements PP made years ago. Skorne players complained so much they sent models to PP as some weird protest and then got a huge errata. Circle players complain that their faction is the wold faction and get a pretty nice cid. Khador players complain about the shitty state of man of wars for 8 years and finally get the changes. All of those were totally valid complaints. Convergence players complain that a cid that was going to happen was cancelled and get told by a couple of trolls that it's our own fault for playing that faction.
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Post by crow on Oct 29, 2018 4:02:54 GMT
And whats the primary difference between legion and Khador and CoC and CG? Oh thats right, one pair has had design come right out and say they're getting less support while the other pair are full support factions. The AK thing is barely serious and i say that as a long term khador player. And the hard reality is you decided to make two limited support factions your main armies. Dont get mad when they get limited support, its like when a waiter puts the plate in front of you and says "careful its hot" then getting mad because you grabbed it and burned yourself. I never claimed to be mad. I actually prefer limited factions because I can be competitive with fewer models. Why own a full faction when most models are unplayable anyway? My point is that every player tends to complain about something but for some reason convergence players aren't aloud to complain about their faction because of some vague statements PP made years ago. Skorne players complained so much they sent models to PP as some weird protest and then got a huge errata. Circle players complain that their faction is the wold faction and get a pretty nice cid. Khador players complain about the shitty state of man of wars for 8 years and finally get the changes. All of those were totally valid complaints. Convergence players complain that a cid that was going to happen was cancelled and get told by a couple of trolls that it's our own fault for playing that faction. While wanting a CID is a legit thing, it’s not trolly at all to be told that you might be expecting to much. Literally you were told you’d have limited support, and never have you been told you’d get a full cid. Now it does sting and I can understand some grievance to find out that there was a plan to do a CID and not get one. But even then you’ve not actually been “let down” as you shouldn’t have been suspecting one in the first place. While I think commenting and giving non-angry feedback is important to help PP adjust factions and such, you need to be ready for the fact that as a limited faction (making you different from all main factions) you may not get an update until absolutely necessary, and what updates you get might simply be minor ones (as seen in the latest mini CID we got)
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Post by Korianneder on Oct 29, 2018 11:57:47 GMT
I never claimed to be mad. I actually prefer limited factions because I can be competitive with fewer models. Why own a full faction when most models are unplayable anyway? My point is that every player tends to complain about something but for some reason convergence players aren't aloud to complain about their faction because of some vague statements PP made years ago. Skorne players complained so much they sent models to PP as some weird protest and then got a huge errata. Circle players complain that their faction is the wold faction and get a pretty nice cid. Khador players complain about the shitty state of man of wars for 8 years and finally get the changes. All of those were totally valid complaints. Convergence players complain that a cid that was going to happen was cancelled and get told by a couple of trolls that it's our own fault for playing that faction. While wanting a CID is a legit thing, it’s not trolly at all to be told that you might be expecting to much. Literally you were told you’d have limited support, and never have you been told you’d get a full cid. Now it does sting and I can understand some grievance to find out that there was a plan to do a CID and not get one. But even then you’ve not actually been “let down” as you shouldn’t have been suspecting one in the first place. While I think commenting and giving non-angry feedback is important to help PP adjust factions and such, you need to be ready for the fact that as a limited faction (making you different from all main factions) you may not get an update until absolutely necessary, and what updates you get might simply be minor ones (as seen in the latest mini CID we got) How is it expecting too much for a cid when we were literally told there was one in development? We were told on facebook by pagani that there were a few convergence models in the works, Orion being the first, and that they'd be in cid later. PP:There's a convergence cid planned. Players: That's cool, unexpected, but cool. Commence theory threads like every other faction. PP: Sorry, we had to cancel the cid for production reasons. Players: Well that kind of sucks. Trolls: Its your own fault for playing limited factions. Play a real faction scrub.
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Post by crow on Oct 29, 2018 14:02:05 GMT
How is it expecting too much for a cid when we were literally told there was one in development? We were told on facebook by pagani that there were a few convergence models in the works, Orion being the first, and that they'd be in cid later. PP:There's a convergence cid planned. Players: That's cool, unexpected, but cool. Commence theory threads like every other faction. PP: Sorry, we had to cancel the cid for production reasons. Players: Well that kind of sucks. Trolls: Its your own fault for playing limited factions. Play a real faction scrub. Maybe it’s difference of view but the breakdown I saw was: PP: there’s a plan for CID convergence Players: cool PP: sorry we have to cancel it Players: F**k privateer press, this game is trash, why would they do this! They clearly hate us, such a garbage game, rant etc... Your supposed trolls: We’re a limited faction guys that has a really powerful theme and are still seen in tournaments, just chill out a bit, things aren’t that bad.
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Post by Korianneder on Oct 29, 2018 16:31:28 GMT
How is it expecting too much for a cid when we were literally told there was one in development? We were told on facebook by pagani that there were a few convergence models in the works, Orion being the first, and that they'd be in cid later. PP:There's a convergence cid planned. Players: That's cool, unexpected, but cool. Commence theory threads like every other faction. PP: Sorry, we had to cancel the cid for production reasons. Players: Well that kind of sucks. Trolls: Its your own fault for playing limited factions. Play a real faction scrub. Maybe it’s difference of view but the breakdown I saw was: PP: there’s a plan for CID convergence Players: cool PP: sorry we have to cancel it Players: F**k privateer press, this game is trash, why would they do this! They clearly hate us, such a garbage game, rant etc... Your supposed trolls: We’re a limited faction guys that has a really powerful theme and are still seen in tournaments, just chill out a bit, things aren’t that bad. I guarantee the reality is somewhere between players are rioting like you think and players are chill with it like I think. In my own experiences with players on here, discord, facebook, and in person most people are pretty understandable about it. Similarly with other people, not every person is a troll starting arguments and not every person is level headed. You can find instances of both. What I don't agree with is people coming in and telling me that it's my own fault for picking that faction. It's not skorne players fault that their faction was the laughing stock of the game. It's not merc players fault that they all need to use Ossrum bunny ranch. It wasn't the players fault that gang interacting with knockdown was weird even though PP said it was working as intended. PP have shown time and time again that they take player feedback into consideration, and telling me I shouldn't complain because of a statement PP made 5 years ago is pretty ridiculous.
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 29, 2018 20:53:37 GMT
Dude, PP did not say "skorne is going to be bad and ossrum is the only viable merc list" You're conflating something they did say outright and something they didn't.
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Post by Korianneder on Oct 29, 2018 21:29:37 GMT
Dude, PP did not say "skorne is going to be bad and ossrum is the only viable merc list" You're conflating something they did say outright and something they didn't. PP said gang was working as intended then errataed it. PP said out of theme would be viable then said it wasn't how they were balancing the game. PP said they weren't going to nerf particular models then did it anyways. They said minions would always be separated then released mk3. They said every main faction would get a forces book and then there would be theme books. Skorne never got a faction book and they dropped the idea of theme books. They originally said mercs weren't a faction even when magnus was released. They said ret wouldnt be supported as much as real factions then they played catch up. Its basically a meme at this point. PP says something, players Female Dog, pp falls back. But somehow a statement that they made almost 6 years ago means convergence players aren't entitled to have any expectations.
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Post by danfromchicago on Oct 29, 2018 21:37:19 GMT
As far s I knew, everything that PP has said about CoC applied to the old release cycle. I wasn't aware of any specific statements about Convergence support in the CID era. Could you point me to a link?
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Post by josephkerr on Oct 30, 2018 0:58:04 GMT
Businesses aren’t people. If someone I know lied to me like that I’d probably never trust them, but requiring a business to be truthful doesn’t make sense. Businesses basically require the ability to back track on promises and switch gears quickly to survive.
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 30, 2018 1:59:19 GMT
As far s I knew, everything that PP has said about CoC applied to the old release cycle. I wasn't aware of any specific statements about Convergence support in the CID era. Could you point me to a link? As far as I know unless they say "CoC has changed and will receive the same amount of support as the non limited factions" one can assume that a policy is continuing forward. Especially as they continue to use the term "limited release factions"
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