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Post by cgdeth on Jun 25, 2018 15:54:25 GMT
They should be lower mat then normal pallys. Same Arm if they have a shield,1 less if they don't. If the picture is what we're going off of, they have a halberd.
Speed 5 STR: 6
Mat:7 Rat:4 Dec:13 Arm:15 CMD: 8
Halberd: Pow 7 or 8, magical, crit fire RGN:2 Set Defense or Defensive Strike 3-5 Boxes or Tough and 1 box
This is what I think we'll be looking at but again I'm speculating.
7 points.
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Miafan
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Post by Miafan on Jun 25, 2018 16:23:08 GMT
If they are single wound I will be disappointed as they would be extremely easy to kill regardless of armor. There are a lot of effects that just deal a damage like corrosion and anatomical precision to name a few. Those are pretty common in a lot of the armies I play and play against. If they are 5 wound, they will be annoying to remove, which would fit their theme. yeah I highly doubt a 3 man unit is single wound, especially because they are pally's and all the pally's have at least 5 boxes. I expect 13/15 5 boxes each with Pow 14 halberds and for the whole package to cost about 6-8 points. Give them righteous vengeance from villmon would make them actually offensive as well. I would like for them to hit pretty hard because they lose survive-ability so quickly once you ping off one of them. Ever met electromancers? Stormfalls? It's very likely that they are 1 wound. Design space + PoM
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 25, 2018 16:44:12 GMT
yeah I highly doubt a 3 man unit is single wound, especially because they are pally's and all the pally's have at least 5 boxes. I expect 13/15 5 boxes each with Pow 14 halberds and for the whole package to cost about 6-8 points. Give them righteous vengeance from villmon would make them actually offensive as well. I would like for them to hit pretty hard because they lose survive-ability so quickly once you ping off one of them. Ever met electromancers? Stormfalls? It's very likely that they are 1 wound. Design space + PoM stormfalls are a ranged unit and I have never seen electromancers on the table ever. 1 3 man melee based defensive unit should not be 1 box each.
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Post by blakeh1 on Jun 25, 2018 19:31:53 GMT
Yeah a 3 man melee unit with 1 wound would be terrible unless they are ridiculously cheap (like cost 1 point each)
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Post by Demeritus on Jun 26, 2018 3:30:21 GMT
Ah they brought back an old mark 1 rule from Rhoven and co. They were arm 15 making them all 21 when together, I suspect these guys will be around there.
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Post by gargs454 on Jun 26, 2018 14:08:53 GMT
Yeah a 3 man melee unit with 1 wound would be terrible unless they are ridiculously cheap (like cost 1 point each) Even then they better hit pretty hard because they would still be so easy to kill, even with an incredibly high armor or def.
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Post by martini on Jun 26, 2018 18:38:11 GMT
3 man unit for 3 poits? That would be super power creep. Knights Exemplar are 6 guys for 9 with lower armor and lower melee reach.
5 points is the lowest they should be.
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Post by spideredd on Jun 26, 2018 21:09:15 GMT
3 man unit for 3 poits? That would be super power creep. Knights Exemplar are 6 guys for 9 with lower armor and lower melee reach. 5 points is the lowest they should be. So long as they fill a niche, they can cost 5. If they have boxes, I expect they'll cost at least 7 or 8 points. I don't actually know what I want them to have, but I hope that they're intriguing.
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Post by maplewhisky on Jun 26, 2018 23:40:29 GMT
Even if it’s only a 3 man unit. I like the idea of a defensive pally unit. I’m a tad concerned about their usefulness as they die. Thematically I feel pally’s should get more juiced as thier buddies die. They have halberds...so maybe they will be pow 14 WM like villmon? Please. Reach & Set Defense? That also means Blessed, Pow 11, Weapon Master.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 27, 2018 1:27:47 GMT
Even if it’s only a 3 man unit. I like the idea of a defensive pally unit. I’m a tad concerned about their usefulness as they die. Thematically I feel pally’s should get more juiced as thier buddies die. They have halberds...so maybe they will be pow 14 WM like villmon? Please. Reach & Set Defense? That also means Blessed, Pow 11, Weapon Master. I missed they have set defense! Curses you are right!
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Post by W0lfBane on Jun 27, 2018 3:09:28 GMT
They should be lower mat then normal pallys. Same Arm if they have a shield,1 less if they don't. If the picture is what we're going off of, they have a halberd. Speed 5 STR: 6 Mat:7 Rat:4 Dec:13 Arm:15 CMD: 8 Halberd: Pow 7 or 8, magical, crit fire RGN:2 Set Defense or Defensive Strike 3-5 Boxes or Tough and 1 box This is what I think we'll be looking at but again I'm speculating. 7 points. Small based pallies are speed six. I don't see these guys losing a speed for no adequately explained reason.
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Post by cgdeth on Jun 27, 2018 10:59:46 GMT
W0lfbane
They are just initiates. They don't live and sleep in their armor yet like full Paladins do. That would be my explanation.
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Post by dicebedamned on Jun 27, 2018 12:38:07 GMT
I'd have thought initiates would sleep in their armour more so than full paladins; there is a knack to doffing armour lol.
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Post by streetpizza on Jun 27, 2018 15:19:22 GMT
Aren't they already a thing? I mean I run villmon double champ of the wall in basically every faithfull masses list because it’s so good. But never the generic solos. Not sure you're representative of the majority here. I've seen lots of FM lists posted on face book and here that run the generics. Hell I myself run Reznik2 with the full boat of every pally I can get my hands on + deliverers and idrians.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 27, 2018 15:24:15 GMT
I mean I run villmon double champ of the wall in basically every faithfull masses list because it’s so good. But never the generic solos. Not sure you're representative of the majority here. I've seen lots of FM lists posted on face book and here that run the generics. Hell I myself run Reznik2 with the full boat of every pally I can get my hands on + deliverers and idrians. I never said I was I spend my points on other things, but I also mostly run FM with sevvy2 and durst, who tend to spend a few more points on jacks.
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