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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jun 26, 2018 11:23:04 GMT
gobber I really hope they make an exception for him in Irregulars like they did with the Tinker. Also do you think his Empower will effect Rhulic jacks ? Empower works on friendly faction so that'll work fine. Developers seem reluctant to add anything else to irregulars (dev talk said it was too broad though Pagani has clarified they're not planning changes). It's at least implied that steelheads are getting their own theme force; this would give an avenue for rhulic casters to get in anyway. More non-character solos for steelheads/dwarves/pirates is the only way those themes will be able to compete with irregulars, so I actually hope they don't put the arcanist in. Yeah, I can see the argument for keeping the Arcanist out of Irregulars, but I am selfish and want him in my Magnus 2 and Gorten lists
I don't expect them to throw any Rhulic stuff into CID tbh, Hammer Strike can be competitive, and depending on how much Steelhead stuff is coming out, they probably will want to focus on that.
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Post by gobber on Jun 26, 2018 12:32:50 GMT
Empower works on friendly faction so that'll work fine. Developers seem reluctant to add anything else to irregulars (dev talk said it was too broad though Pagani has clarified they're not planning changes). It's at least implied that steelheads are getting their own theme force; this would give an avenue for rhulic casters to get in anyway. More non-character solos for steelheads/dwarves/pirates is the only way those themes will be able to compete with irregulars, so I actually hope they don't put the arcanist in. Yeah, I can see the argument for keeping the Arcanist out of Irregulars, but I am selfish and want him in my Magnus 2 and Gorten lists
I don't expect them to throw any Rhulic stuff into CID tbh, Hammer Strike can be competitive, and depending on how much Steelhead stuff is coming out, they probably will want to focus on that.
I just meant that steelhead theme seems unlikely to have caster restrictions and would thereby have to allow for empower on rhulic jacks, not bringing them into CID
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jun 26, 2018 12:37:28 GMT
Yeah, I can see the argument for keeping the Arcanist out of Irregulars, but I am selfish and want him in my Magnus 2 and Gorten lists
I don't expect them to throw any Rhulic stuff into CID tbh, Hammer Strike can be competitive, and depending on how much Steelhead stuff is coming out, they probably will want to focus on that.
I just meant that steelhead theme seems unlikely to have caster restrictions and would thereby have to allow for empower on rhulic jacks, not bringing them into CID I dunno, I feel like Steelhead will be restricted to Steelhead Casters, and that the CID will include 2 new Mercenary Steelhead Casters, to bring them up to 3 in total like Rhulic or Talion. And I base this hunch off nothing at all
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Post by gobber on Jun 26, 2018 12:52:43 GMT
I just meant that steelhead theme seems unlikely to have caster restrictions and would thereby have to allow for empower on rhulic jacks, not bringing them into CID I dunno, I feel like Steelhead will be restricted to Steelhead Casters, and that the CID will include 2 new Mercenary Steelhead Casters, to bring them up to 3 in total like Rhulic or Talion. And I base this hunch off nothing at all Not out of the realm of possibility, but it'd be super weird for Ashlynn Gastonne Magnus and Macbain to be out entirely
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 26, 2018 13:05:57 GMT
I dunno, I feel like Steelhead will be restricted to Steelhead Casters, and that the CID will include 2 new Mercenary Steelhead Casters, to bring them up to 3 in total like Rhulic or Talion. And I base this hunch off nothing at all Not out of the realm of possibility, but it'd be super weird for Ashlynn Gastonne Magnus and Macbain to be out entirely Basically all of the Kingmakers casters would be in, so also Broadsides Bart, and I'm quite sure most of the casters that ever work on the main land often employ Steelheads. Perhaps only excepting the Rhulics and the pure pirates, like Fiona and Shae.
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Post by Xintas on Jun 26, 2018 13:34:29 GMT
I kind of like the idea of a "steelhead" theme that can use any caster BUT damiano and can only use steelhead solos/units. Basically, warcaster shows up and buys a whole new army. Would also kind of be the other side of the coin from Irregulars.
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Post by thimnwitt on Jun 26, 2018 15:46:20 GMT
Now see, I was thinking the theme would be a Cross Faction theme.
Any Warmachine faction that Steelheads work for could have access to theme. You basically get your warcaster + Jacks and then all the Steelhead models. It would seem in the fluff Warcasters just wander over to an outpost and rent out a whole chapter of Steelheads.
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Post by shoe on Jun 26, 2018 15:53:09 GMT
Now see, I was thinking the theme would be a Cross Faction theme. Any Warmachine faction that Steelheads work for could have access to theme. You basically get your warcaster + Jacks and then all the Steelhead models. It would seem in the fluff Warcasters just wander over to an outpost and rent out a whole chapter of Steelheads. This is a pretty good idea. If they don't do it already then I will suggest it.
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Post by Xintas on Jun 26, 2018 16:04:27 GMT
Now see, I was thinking the theme would be a Cross Faction theme. Any Warmachine faction that Steelheads work for could have access to theme. You basically get your warcaster + Jacks and then all the Steelhead models. It would seem in the fluff Warcasters just wander over to an outpost and rent out a whole chapter of Steelheads. You took my idea one step further; love it! It would also make it way too easy to branch out to other factions...my wallet does not approve.
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Post by shoe on Jun 26, 2018 16:28:50 GMT
now that I think about it cryx would just blow stuff off the table
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Post by tesoe on Jun 26, 2018 16:37:34 GMT
Now see, I was thinking the theme would be a Cross Faction theme. Any Warmachine faction that Steelheads work for could have access to theme. You basically get your warcaster + Jacks and then all the Steelhead models. It would seem in the fluff Warcasters just wander over to an outpost and rent out a whole chapter of Steelheads. I really like that idea.
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Post by crow on Jun 26, 2018 16:54:13 GMT
Not a fan of the “cross faction theme” thing... it just starts feeling like “hey wanna play Mercs? Better play _____ instead of you wanna be competitive.”Like ya, steelheads would be a part, but to much cross over and I start feeling like I’m not playing mercs, but just a more limited version of what ever shared faction I’m playing. I guess that’s why I play dwarves and Cephalyx though, very limited cross faction going on (and I don’t really own any of the stuff that does). Course then again maybe that’s why I’ve gone more convergence then mercs as of late :/
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Post by GrumpyBear on Jun 26, 2018 18:47:47 GMT
Counter charging Marshalled Toro. Reasons it's good and worth a look: Armor 20 and shield guard Reach Mat 8 weaponmaster. 4 dice pow 18 charges that can reach over models. Access to free charges in faction, for 2 pow 20 WMS and shield slam. Rhurler is actually a secret bad as model with awesome rules.
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Post by Sarcastastic on Jun 29, 2018 3:50:55 GMT
That cross-faction idea seems super cool, and I definitely want to try it in a casual game sometime. It'd be a nightmare to balance though.
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Post by shoe on Jun 29, 2018 5:59:35 GMT
dey are not giving cryx access to artillery,, pals!
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