gmonkey
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Post by gmonkey on Jun 20, 2018 17:38:11 GMT
I've got a feeling I know the answer to this, but this is an interaction I've not seen before, so I've got to ask.
I played a game last night, and my friend's Siege Crawler hit my Storm Strider with a crit stagger. The strider loses its initials on its next turn. I'm guessing this means both melee and two ranged attacks. So on my next turn the storm strider can... what? Only walk or run? That's just bonkers. Am I reading this right?
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Post by gobber on Jun 20, 2018 20:58:07 GMT
Battle Toilet for the win!
(that's a yes)
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psyllus
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Post by psyllus on Jun 20, 2018 23:11:49 GMT
It can still buy attacks, if it has the ability to do so normally.
A bit counter-intuitive, but it can still charge (still has a combat action). If it could buy melee attacks, its first melee attack can be a charge attack if its directed at the charge target.
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gmonkey
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Post by gmonkey on Jun 21, 2018 12:23:48 GMT
A bit counter-intuitive, but it can still charge (still has a combat action). If it could buy melee attacks, its first melee attack can be a charge attack if its directed at the charge target. Oh, so wait... you're saying that I could have charged and gotten a charge attack? But that I'd lose the shots? This is so unintuitive. |
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 21, 2018 12:47:55 GMT
A bit counter-intuitive, but it can still charge (still has a combat action). If it could buy melee attacks, its first melee attack can be a charge attack if its directed at the charge target. Oh, so wait... you're saying that I could have charged and gotten a charge attack? But that I'd lose the shots? This is so unintuitive. Only if you could buy that charge attack, which the Storm Strider can't, charging does not include giving you an attack, it still uses initials. A warjack could buy an attack and still get free boosted damage for instance. Most battle engines are indeed very sad when staggered. |
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gmonkey
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Post by gmonkey on Jun 21, 2018 13:20:21 GMT
Ah. Gotcha. So I could have charged, but would have gotten no actual attack, which would in most cases be no better than running.
Yeah - that battle toilet is brutal versus other battle engines, between the stagger and the additional damage die.
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Post by shroomvolcano on Jun 21, 2018 19:16:17 GMT
edit: Yeah, it definitely reads like you can charge provided you end in melee range, you just don't get the initial boosted charge attack and then you can buy attacks afterwards if you are able to.
Lol at Battle Toliet, we always called it Dadbod the Tank.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 22, 2018 6:10:20 GMT
edit: Yeah, it definitely reads like you can charge provided you end in melee range, you just don't get the initial boosted charge attack and then you can buy attacks afterwards if you are able to. This is actually not completely correct. To qualify as a charge attack, and thus get the boosted damage, an attack must simply be the first melee attack after using your movement to charge. It does not have to be an initial attack. If a warjack under the effects of Stagger were to charge anyway and spend a focus to buy a melee attack, it would get the boosted damage dice. |
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Post by shroomvolcano on Jun 22, 2018 12:14:12 GMT
edit: Yeah, it definitely reads like you can charge provided you end in melee range, you just don't get the initial boosted charge attack and then you can buy attacks afterwards if you are able to. This is actually not completely correct. To qualify as a charge attack, and thus get the boosted damage, an attack must simply be the first melee attack after using your movement to charge. It does not have to be an initial attack. If a warjack under the effects of Stagger were to charge anyway and spend a focus to buy a melee attack, it would get the boosted damage dice. Thanks for the clarification, that's really unintuitive. |
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