Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Jun 22, 2018 15:34:53 GMT
The Arc Node is what makes the Revenger unique, since it means Cyrenia doesn't have to expose to get out PC. But honestly all of our lights are good with it and her so it's splitting hairs to me.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 24, 2018 16:25:48 GMT
The Arc Node is what makes the Revenger unique, since it means Cyrenia doesn't have to expose to get out PC. But honestly all of our lights are good with it and her so it's splitting hairs to me. She should be taking a Hierophant so at range 8 I don’t think you actually need an arc mode for PC.
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Post by Hashmal on Jun 25, 2018 20:45:09 GMT
You'd be surprised. You also need LoS. An Arc Node lets her hide behind a building/forest and giggle as her good stuff gets out.
It's not needed, just like the Lancer isn't in Cygnar. I was merely pointing out we have an equitable package for it. I think it's a groovy piece for her, though.
I think my initial package will run a Revenger Redeemer Dervish, with the rest of the 75 points focused on dudes.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 25, 2018 20:47:47 GMT
You'd be surprised. You also need LoS. An Arc Node lets her hide behind a building/forest and giggle as her good stuff gets out. It's not needed, just like the Lancer isn't in Cygnar. I was merely pointing out we have an equitable package for it. I think it's a groovy piece for her, though. I think my initial package will run a Revenger Redeemer Dervish, with the rest of the 75 points focused on dudes. It will be interesting to see all the list variations with her. Especially across Guardians, EI, and FM. I still prefer jacks a few heavies with her, But I almost feel like the Purifier actually is worth it over the dervish, because blessed pow 17 chain weapons with potential def 17 on feat turn or the wall seems super legit.
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Post by gargs454 on Jun 26, 2018 14:12:15 GMT
All of this talk just makes me want to get more games in than I normally can. I do think there is a lot of room to experiment with her and I don't think she just simply fits neatly into one box. Changing her feat was big for her as it does open up the possibility of using her in other themes which likely would not have happened much otherwise. She'll still primarily be EI of course, but I think she at least has some game in other themes now.
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Post by Hashmal on Jun 26, 2018 17:01:16 GMT
Totally. I like her most in EI because I think it maximizes her abilities, but she has game in all themes. PC plus Dash equals a scary fast and decently hard hitting Guardians list, and TFG appreciate IR and Rock Wall. Cyrenia can also run well with Hammer Dorfs as needed, helping their threat range and getting them up to that ARM 20.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 26, 2018 18:53:10 GMT
Totally. I like her most in EI because I think it maximizes her abilities, but she has game in all themes. PC plus Dash equals a scary fast and decently hard hitting Guardians list, and TFG appreciate IR and Rock Wall. Cyrenia can also run well with Hammer Dorfs as needed, helping their threat range and getting them up to that ARM 20. Would they get to Pow 13 WM with Pos charge?
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Post by dicebedamned on Jun 27, 2018 12:22:57 GMT
It is friendly models that agin the benefit, so they would need an attendant priest I think.
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Jun 27, 2018 16:34:22 GMT
They sure would with a Priest. Which makes them dang hard hitting.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 27, 2018 16:35:36 GMT
They sure would with a Priest. Which makes them dang hard hitting. Yeah I am also considering Pally's with her. With pos charge they hit like trains. Pow 15 regular pally's Pow 16 Villmon, and Pow 18 (non weaponmaster) champs.
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Post by Hashmal on Jun 27, 2018 17:43:49 GMT
I would. Dash gives them a respectable threat range and MAT 18 POW 18s with 14" of threat are not to be trifled with.
Only problem I have is the list I came up with looks depressingly like a bog standard Harby list. I think Cyrenia runs it differently enough for it to still have good value, though.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 27, 2018 19:10:40 GMT
I would. Dash gives them a respectable threat range and MAT 18 POW 18s with 14" of threat are not to be trifled with. Only problem I have is the list I came up with looks depressingly like a bog standard Harby list. I think Cyrenia runs it differently enough for it to still have good value, though. I think the main difference is Cyrenia wants to run a few jacks as beaters, and she is more offensive focused, where harby is super defensive focused.
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Post by moquan on Jun 29, 2018 11:32:36 GMT
Last week I played two more games with the same list as in the opening post. First against our WTC captain with Kreuger2. This went exactly as expected. Feat, tk and all the ranged options meant he was able to pick apart my army without loosing on scenario. Same list with Harby would've been a lot better. Second game was against Jarle in Northkin theme, new scenario mirage was played. This apparantly is one of the good matchups. Stay away from the sides, because bears. Score own flag and zone. Contest opponents zone with tough IR errants, Anastasia for the opponents flag and the turn after a Dervish under feat behind Rock Wall Bottom 4 I won on scenario. So far the soul collection/distribution is not a problem. If it turns out to be, the Sanctifier will hit the deck. Not sure on replacement yet. Indictor after CID maybe? I still need to play against a gunline style army (Is Siege2 gravediggers a good enough test?), and that might lead me to consider exchaning a Dervish for a Devout. If focus turns out to be an issue, Anastasia and mechanik will be exchanged for a Wrack and a Hierophant. So far I find the list well-rounded sporting a non-lineair, layered play-style. And I like it a lot
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Post by Hashmal on Jun 29, 2018 23:31:47 GMT
Krueger2 is a tough matchup for us. I've had some reasonable success with Kreoss3 double Vengers, but other options leave me a bit stuffed. Not sure how much game Cyrenia will have into him.
Your list is similar to something I took in CID - I was rocking Errants/double Cinnies too. Quite liked the look. Cygnar wasn't crazy about it, that's for sure. Not sure it totally beats the 5x5 Sloan look that a certain friend of mine keeps running, but I think the Cinerators' surprisingly high threat range keeps them honest.
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Post by groedius on Jul 4, 2018 7:27:50 GMT
So I've seen talk of using bastions and positive charge but I have not seen anyone mention that in the CID change if it sticks the bastion seneschal he got a new drive that gives flank bastion that combined with positive charge. Then it tunes the jack upto +4 mat +2 dmg an additional dice and then if you stack choir on top for another +2 dmg. You could also try include sev0 to take it even further. I think it would work nicely on a dervish Plus you can use the bastions as a screen to deliver the jack.
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