bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Jun 8, 2018 9:38:00 GMT
lol So it sounds like it might have one or two good lists, but nothing game changing? Also I was thinking of Iron Mother as a possibility. I mean Rat8, possible pow 17 x2 at range 17ish doesn't sound all that bad... just not sure what you would use it for. And it almost seems like Convergence needs a unit with Electricity or something to really make it shine, or at least something else with electrical damage. Correct, no one is scared of the Conflux - or even fully know what it does. Sure POW 17 gun sounds good on paper, but what if they have shield guard(s)? Then you feated and harmed for nothing. Remember when everyone cried over Azrael's POW 17 spear in Legion? Yeah, no one cares now because it's not that good. A unit with electric guns would be great though! But then you are playing the inferior Theme list...
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crow
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Post by crow on Jun 8, 2018 12:21:13 GMT
Just spit balling, but has anyone tried one of each? I mean between the two of them that’s a lot of utility, shots, and high powered melee. Also Syntherion might be an option since he’d use hot-shot on conflux, and synergy in theory could get the colossals up to huge damage and it would mean conflux could shoot and bash something that the axiom dragged in. Not exactly sure what you’d do for a list (or if you’d even use Sytherion) but might be a nifty idea
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Post by datboi on Jun 8, 2018 17:19:21 GMT
lol So it sounds like it might have one or two good lists, but nothing game changing? Also I was thinking of Iron Mother as a possibility. I mean Rat8, possible pow 17 x2 at range 17ish doesn't sound all that bad... just not sure what you would use it for. And it almost seems like Convergence needs a unit with Electricity or something to really make it shine, or at least something else with electrical damage. Correct, no one is scared of the Conflux - or even fully know what it does. Sure POW 17 gun sounds good on paper, but what if they have shield guard(s)? Then you feated and harmed for nothing. Remember when everyone cried over Azrael's POW 17 spear in Legion? Yeah, no one cares now because it's not that good. A unit with electric guns would be great though! But then you are playing the inferior Theme list... It's pretty damn good. I have played it a fair bit with Thags1 in CotD and a model pumping out two POW 19's with continuous fire and crit smite is pretty damn good.
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Post by danfromchicago on Jun 8, 2018 18:58:48 GMT
lol So it sounds like it might have one or two good lists, but nothing game changing? Also I was thinking of Iron Mother as a possibility. I mean Rat8, possible pow 17 x2 at range 17ish doesn't sound all that bad... just not sure what you would use it for. And it almost seems like Convergence needs a unit with Electricity or something to really make it shine, or at least something else with electrical damage. Correct, no one is scared of the Conflux - or even fully know what it does. Sure POW 17 gun sounds good on paper, but what if they have shield guard(s)? Then you feated and harmed for nothing. Remember when everyone cried over Azrael's POW 17 spear in Legion? Yeah, no one cares now because it's not that good. A unit with electric guns would be great though! But then you are playing the inferior Theme list... Shield guards shut down lots of ranged attacks. Legions is currently less popular, that doesn't mean it's necessarily less good, especially if you start adding new units. As RFP gets less common, and I think it will, Legions will get better.
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Post by Korianneder on Jun 9, 2018 3:22:10 GMT
Part of the issue is that it can't self buff the gun very well. If it wants to shoot on turn 3 it needs the servitor from turn 2. The one it spawns on turn 3 wont be in range to hand out the buff. It's additional hoops to jump through just to make a model ok. If it can shoot from within 7" of the target, it can self buff the turn of. But even outside of that. If you need a flare to help the Axiom, you need the servitor from the turn prior if the Axiom is going to create it. And you should almost always be able to Capacitor Discharge damage. It's effectively not a POW 10, it's a 12. If your plan is to get within 7" of a model in order to get a +2 damage on two attacks, why not just bring two teps for almost the exact same points? If an Axiom needs flare then the Conflux would need flare as well, but the Axiom has the added ability of actually being able to generate that flare. And I'd much rather have sustained attack against an arm 18 model than d3 pow 12 lightning rolls. Not to mention the ionization servitor also buffing my opponent's lightning attacks. The Conflux is a very niche piece that works occasionally. Those occasions tend to be Orion modulator spam where the servitors can also buff something other than 1-2 attacks a turn, or Iron Mom where the combination of fire group and imperil can make it into a semi-respectable (for convergence) gun platform.
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Post by danfromchicago on Jun 9, 2018 4:33:25 GMT
It certainly wouldn't be my primary plan, but hey, game state happens.
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Post by danfromchicago on Jun 9, 2018 16:11:01 GMT
We're not talking about the homing ripspike. I think it's an important piece of the puzzle. When shooting a solo or an important infantry piece luck swings the odds far more in your favor.
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Post by danfromchicago on Jun 9, 2018 16:29:59 GMT
I think something like this could be successful:
War Room Army
Convergence of Cyriss - Syntherion
Theme: Destruction Initiative 4 / 4 Free Cards 74 / 75 Army
Forge Master Syntherion - WJ: +27 - Corollary - PC: 6 - Assimilator - PC: 16 - Modulator - PC: 10 - Prime Conflux - PC: 37 (Battlegroup Points Used: 27) - Ionization Servitors - Modulator - PC: 10 - Cipher - PC: 16
Attunement Servitors - 3 Attunement Servitors: 0 Elimination Servitors - 3 Elimination Servitors: 0 Reflex Servitors - 3 Reflex Servitors: 0 Algorithmic Dispersion Optifex - PC: 2 Elimination Servitors - 3 Elimination Servitors: 0
Optifex Directive - Leader & 2 Grunts: 4
THEME: Destruction Initiative ---
GENERATED : 06/09/2018 11:23:53 BUILD ID : 2066.18-05-11
Between Magnetic Hold and the two Ripspikes you have three threat extenders. Plenty of targets for hot shot. Lots of attacks to remove infantry with.
Yes you could get additional Monitors by dropping the Assimilator and Cipher, but this way you're not all in on lightning and you have several higher base attacks.
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Jun 10, 2018 20:22:13 GMT
Soooo... you want to build a list around the Conflux's secondary guns? Which is also found on a light?
I don't catch your drift. You get the Cipher to threat 10 or 12, which is, at least in my experience, the standard/bare minimum in order to compete. Axis can feat and do the same or even Aurora - without the collosus. Or you can wait for Locke to come out if you want threat range on CoC jacks.
It's just a weird secondary gun on a collosus.. Some other guns like the other collosi have would be nice. Many low powered shots, covering fire, AOE's, you name it.
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Post by danfromchicago on Jun 10, 2018 23:15:23 GMT
I'm not building entirely around the Homing Ripspikes. I'm including them in a game plan. With Hot Shot, the Conflux will shoot early and hit reasonably hard. It should be very focus efficient. Hot Shot means you can freely boost to hit and buy.
Why are you focusing on the Cipher? Yes, it's slow. There are also 3 other heavies which are faster? The Cipher is a follow up piece which has def mitigation and board control for the approach.
Axis has one turn of max effectiveness. And he is very good if not the best in the faction. Synergy is every turn, as is Hot Shot. Aurora isn't as bad as her rep, IMO, but she's an infantry caster.
Locke is intriguing, and I'm looking forward to playing her. And the Conflux might be a good choice as she does have Sentry.
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Jun 11, 2018 19:46:52 GMT
Fair enough.
Sure I agree that Syntherion has a nice spell list, I even played him a decent amount because of that. Only lacks a good feat to be more useable/competetive.
Because the Cipher has the highest P+S in melee with 2 initials. No other heavy in your list is gonna remove an opponents heavy. Yes the Assimilator can go 1 inch further, but hits softer with only 1 initial. Modulator equaly bad. Unless you want to threat far without removing heavies ofc...
Why not play the Modulator spam list then? I played that with Syntherion a couple of times, works fine against some matchups. Then you get to use the spell list to great effect, have enough heavies to get Synergy to 3 most of the time and maximize the Conflux output. Direct current somewhat makes the Assimilator obsolete and flare drones ditto for the Cipher. Just a thought.
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