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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jun 4, 2018 18:19:12 GMT
the raek bodies in the card art look really sickly/skinny. Maybe if they had snacking instead of rapid healing they wouldn't looks so malnourished...
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Post by davycannonhound on Jun 4, 2018 19:43:15 GMT
Derp turtles went through CID a while ago, haven't been nerfed yet, and are by a large margin are the most broken model in the game. I think chosen are fine for a while, possibly forever. If they were reigned in a little I'd start by removing pathfinder then maybe their MAT- gentler fixes. Hell no to pathfinder. I'd say drop them to DEF 10 and remove the crit knockdown. Or drop brutal charge and make them straight pow 14.
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gordo
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Post by gordo on Jun 4, 2018 21:06:20 GMT
I find it amusing we are already looking at nerfing options. I'm not sure this is unwarranted, mind you, but I certainly think it's probably a bit early. They couldn't possibly have warped the meta yet.
My only real issue is finding reasons to use the other options available in PT lists other than "they are only FA 2". They are there, mind you, but not usually in any lists I actually think have equal competitive value.
Tangent: does anyone know their fluff? Like, how/when they came to be, etc. With a name like "Chosen" it feels like there is something more than the usual there. Their name and stats and looks just screams GW Chaos to me...
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 5, 2018 6:52:40 GMT
My only real issue is finding reasons to use the other options available in PT lists other than "they are only FA 2". They are there, mind you, but not usually in any lists I actually think have equal competitive value. Other options are quite a bit cheaper and can hit just as hard or even harder? Really the main thing that the Chosen have in their favour is Pathfinder and durability. Both are definitely significant, but I can see reasons to go the Warmonger/Warspear route.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Jun 5, 2018 7:10:06 GMT
I find it amusing we are already looking at nerfing options. I'm not sure this is unwarranted, mind you, but I certainly think it's probably a bit early. They couldn't possibly have warped the meta yet. My only real issue is finding reasons to use the other options available in PT lists other than "they are only FA 2". They are there, mind you, but not usually in any lists I actually think have equal competitive value. Tangent: does anyone know their fluff? Like, how/when they came to be, etc. With a name like "Chosen" it feels like there is something more than the usual there. Their name and stats and looks just screams GW Chaos to me... In fairness the other 2 options still have a lot of appeal. Warmongers+Gorrag are a point cheaper with the same threat range and a greater pool of tricks and more infantry removal. Warmongers WITHOUT gorrag are dirt-cheap disposable infantry. Warspears still hit harder vs a single target than either of the other two options by a pretty large margin. Both non-chosen options get Vengeance as well. There will be some casters I will run with chosen, some I'll run with warspears, some I'll run with both. Warmongers will usually be on top of that, though it depends on how much I really want to buy. For some of the lists I've been considering, I'd need to buy 2 units of chosen, 2 units of warmongers, and 2 units of rotwings, and I don't see myself realistically doing that any time soon.
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Post by slaughtersun on Jun 5, 2018 7:22:05 GMT
Can we let Chosen destroy the meta first before calling out for nerfs?
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eauc
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Post by eauc on Jun 5, 2018 9:17:26 GMT
After playing a few games with anamag/chosens, I think mongers + gorag are far more broken than chosen. Thankfully with gorag being a character, we should avoid a nerf - still paralysis aura is stupid. Vengeance on mongers/spears also have them do a lot more work than chosen. In all games chosen hardly killed anything, they just died slowly for their brothers. The least they can do is be good at it, and die very slowly
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jun 5, 2018 9:51:15 GMT
I can't imagine PP will nerf them, they have to sell them all first!
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Post by copperflame on Jun 5, 2018 14:14:50 GMT
I can't imagine PP will nerf them, they have to sell them all first! That's cold (not saying that is not true, but cold). At around $100US... I would hope to be able to play the unit I'm buying for some time. They did go through the CID fire (and I do mean fire) and came out as is. I would hope they stay as is.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jun 5, 2018 14:19:01 GMT
I can't imagine PP will nerf them, they have to sell them all first! That's cold (not saying that is not true, but cold). At around $100US... I would hope to be able to play the unit I'm buying for some time. They did go through the CID fire (and I do mean fire) and came out as is. I would hope they stay as is. In the UK they are £86 (after usual 10% retailers discount) that's about $115 at todays exchange rate. They are gorgeous models, but heck are they expensive!
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Post by thelat on Jun 6, 2018 7:18:10 GMT
Remember, Legion players will always find something to complain about. If there's nothing real to complain about, they will imagine scenarios that have not happened and complain about those.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 6, 2018 8:03:41 GMT
Remember, people will always find something to complain about. If there's nothing real to complain about, they will imagine scenarios that have not happened and complain about those. FTFY
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jun 6, 2018 12:10:39 GMT
Remember, Legion players will always find something to complain about. If there's nothing real to complain about, they will imagine scenarios that have not happened and complain about those. Cuz no one else has ever speculated about the future of this game...
People Female Doged at us during CiD and as soon as the models release people came in and kick up dirt again. What are we expected to do? Take up you position and tell everyone else in the community is irrational and over reacting? That seems like the perfectly civil thing to do...
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Post by rivers on Jun 6, 2018 19:22:39 GMT
Remember, Legion players will always find something to complain about. If there's nothing real to complain about, they will imagine scenarios that have not happened and complain about those. Show us on the doll where the Legion player touched you. Seriously if you don't have something constructive to say just take it elsewhere. Personally, I'm looking forward to trying to make these guys work with Kallus2 as a fluffy "Centaur Bois" list. Glad these came out so we have more than a couple things that will survive some guns without resorting to gimmicks.
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newsun
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Post by newsun on Jun 6, 2018 21:16:57 GMT
I just hope they don't get nerfed before I get to play them. Owning spears and mongers means I'll play them first.
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