List build challenge, adapting to my local meta

moquan
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List build challenge, adapting to my local meta May 4, 2018 12:58:20 GMT

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Post by moquan on May 4, 2018 12:58:20 GMT

A few months ago I switched to Cygnar to play Haley2 control/ranged, so far in HM and Caine0 will propably give it an upgrade in the assassination corner.
But it feels a bit lackluster, not enough anti-infantry options. And not enough armour crack power, both at ranged and in melee.

Tomorrow I may have a chance to test this version of Haley2, hopefully it has a bit more ranged presence for infantry control and assassination options.

[Theme] Heavy Metal
(Haley 2) Major Victoria Haley [+25]
- Stormwall [39]
- Thorn [13]
- Squire [0(5)]
Captain Arlan Strangewayes [0(4)]
Harlan Versh, Illuminated One [0(4)]
Journeyman Warcaster [4]
- Firefly [8]
Lieutenant Allison Jakes [4]
- Reliant [14]
Storm Strider [18]

My main opponents play Khador (Irusk2 Ironfang theme), Cryx (Denny2/Gaspy3 Black Industries and Dark Host), Cygnar (Stryker2 Storm Division, Siege2 Gravediggers) and Circle (Kreuger2, Bradigus, Una2).

Maybe something like this and then another list for control/armour?

[Theme] Storm Division
(Maddox 1) Major Beth Maddox [+30]
- Ironclad [12]
- Stormclad [18]
- Squire [0(5)]
Anastasia di Bray [3]
Journeyman Warcaster [0(4)]
- Charger [9]
Major Katherine Laddermore [8]
Stormsmith Stormcaller (3) [0(5)]
Silver Line Stormguard (max) [16]
Stormblade Infantry [10]
- Stormblade Infantry Officer & Standard [5]
- Stormblade Infantry Storm Gunner (3) [6]
Storm Strider [18]

It would be awesome if I could get some hivemind wisdom on this, preference goes to non-Grave Diggers lists so far.

Thanks in advance!

Juris
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List build challenge, adapting to my local meta May 4, 2018 16:19:50 GMT

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Post by Juris on May 4, 2018 16:19:50 GMT

May 4, 2018 12:58:20 GMT moquan said:

A few months ago I switched to Cygnar to play Haley2 control/ranged, so far in HM and Caine0 will propably give it an upgrade in the assassination corner.
But it feels a bit lackluster, not enough anti-infantry options. And not enough armour crack power, both at ranged and in melee.

Tomorrow I may have a chance to test this version of Haley2, hopefully it has a bit more ranged presence for infantry control and assassination options.

[Theme] Heavy Metal
(Haley 2) Major Victoria Haley [+25]
- Stormwall [39]
- Thorn [13]
- Squire [0(5)]
Captain Arlan Strangewayes [0(4)]
Harlan Versh, Illuminated One [0(4)]
Journeyman Warcaster [4]
- Firefly [8]
Lieutenant Allison Jakes [4]
- Reliant [14]
Storm Strider [18]

My main opponents play Khador (Irusk2 Ironfang theme), Cryx (Denny2/Gaspy3 Black Industries and Dark Host), Cygnar (Stryker2 Storm Division, Siege2 Gravediggers) and Circle (Kreuger2, Bradigus, Una2).

Maybe something like this and then another list for control/armour?

[Theme] Storm Division
(Maddox 1) Major Beth Maddox [+30]
- Ironclad [12]
- Stormclad [18]
- Squire [0(5)]
Anastasia di Bray [3]
Journeyman Warcaster [0(4)]
- Charger [9]
Major Katherine Laddermore [8]
Stormsmith Stormcaller (3) [0(5)]
Silver Line Stormguard (max) [16]
Stormblade Infantry [10]
- Stormblade Infantry Officer & Standard [5]
- Stormblade Infantry Storm Gunner (3) [6]
Storm Strider [18]

It would be awesome if I could get some hivemind wisdom on this, preference goes to non-Grave Diggers lists so far.

Thanks in advance!

Why do you prefer to go non-Gravediggers? Also, Hurricane is way better with Haley2 than a Stormwall.

Last Edit: May 4, 2018 16:21:03 GMT by Juris

moquan
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Posts: 193

List build challenge, adapting to my local meta May 4, 2018 16:24:39 GMT

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Post by moquan on May 4, 2018 16:24:39 GMT

May 4, 2018 16:19:50 GMT Juris said:

Why do you prefer to go non-Gravediggers? Also, Hurricane is way better with Haley2 than a Stormwall.

Thanks for the response.
Hadn't thought about the Hurricane as I only own a Stormwall and not the dual kit...
Non-Gravediggers is a bit of the same problem, I don't own anything from that theme force.
So starting with the other 3 themes made more sense to me, and not unimportant, Cygnar to me is Haley2 and electro-leap shenanigans, so playing without it doesn't feel right

Is it possible?

Last Edit: May 4, 2018 16:42:56 GMT by moquan

jagius021
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Posts: 302

List build challenge, adapting to my local meta May 5, 2018 14:27:31 GMT via mobile

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Post by jagius021 on May 5, 2018 14:27:31 GMT

Hunters help crack armor, and Haley 2 can give an extra shot. They seem to work better en masse for that purpose though I still find that 2 can soften up heavies a decent amount on the approach

moquan
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List build challenge, adapting to my local meta May 5, 2018 18:36:56 GMT

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Post by moquan on May 5, 2018 18:36:56 GMT

May 5, 2018 14:27:31 GMT jagius021 said:

Hunters help crack armor, and Haley 2 can give an extra shot. They seem to work better en masse for that purpose though I still find that 2 can soften up heavies a decent amount on the approach

Thanks for the suggestion!
I've tried the following list a few times into Bradigus.

[Theme] Heavy Metal
(Haley 2) Major Victoria Haley [+25]
- Hunter [10]
- Hunter [10]
- Stormclad [18]
- Thorn [13]
- Squire [0(5)]
Captain Arlan Strangewayes [0(4)]
Journeyman Warcaster [0(4)]
- Charger [9]
Lieutenant Allison Jakes [4]
- Stormclad [18]
Storm Strider [18]

That list contains too much armour to widdle down and deal with. Even when focussing and applying the feat to buy another turn (difficult as you need to be outside of 5,5" of the brick after you attack...)
Maybe without the Stormclads and more ranged pressence to make it an assassination list?

jagius021
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Posts: 302

List build challenge, adapting to my local meta May 6, 2018 5:08:25 GMT via mobile

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Post by jagius021 on May 6, 2018 5:08:25 GMT

Try dropping the stormclad off Jake's, moving both hunters over to her, and filling things out from there. Energizer helps position them and long leash still let's them move within a 16 in control. Sidekick is also great on def 14 jacks.

karvitch
Baby's First Wargame

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List build challenge, adapting to my local meta Jul 9, 2018 4:24:07 GMT

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Post by karvitch on Jul 9, 2018 4:24:07 GMT

I Have heard that putting a cyclone on Strangeways could be an ok option, not that I have tried it yet.
+2 to damage roles means you are shotting 2d3 worth of POW14 shots which will deal with most infantry/lights and some heavies and being able to put out covering fire at POW12 not 10 would make a lot of infantry think twice.

sludgeogre
Junior Strategist

Posts: 188

List build challenge, adapting to my local meta Jul 9, 2018 17:16:31 GMT

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Post by sludgeogre on Jul 9, 2018 17:16:31 GMT

May 4, 2018 16:24:39 GMT moquan said:

May 4, 2018 16:19:50 GMT Juris said:

Why do you prefer to go non-Gravediggers? Also, Hurricane is way better with Haley2 than a Stormwall.

Thanks for the response.
Hadn't thought about the Hurricane as I only own a Stormwall and not the dual kit...
Non-Gravediggers is a bit of the same problem, I don't own anything from that theme force.
So starting with the other 3 themes made more sense to me, and not unimportant, Cygnar to me is Haley2 and electro-leap shenanigans, so playing without it doesn't feel right

Is it possible?

It's totally possible. There's a player in one of the metas I play in that plays Haley2 Heavy Metal exclusively and he wins 8 man tournaments with her all the time. He also runs a Stormwall and not a Hurricane against the common advice most people give. In watching it, he makes great use of the storm pods and wins on scenario pretty quickly with it. I think it's a great list for SR18. I think you should definitely play your version and see how you like it and just make changes as you go.