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Post by Aegis on Apr 24, 2018 13:13:34 GMT
I dunno, I find it nicer than most of the minicrate figures I've seen so far (and not smaller or less complex than most), so I don't really see how it's worth less. And since it's a faction-specific solo, it's arguably more niche. Now, if you want to argue that ALL the minicrate models are overpriced, well, that I could possibly agree with. Well, the swamp horror and the feralgeist are medium based miniatures, Ashlyn has an enormous pair of fiery wings, and Harlan versh has a gigantic crossbow and a big detailed cape. There is not comparison in size and complexity with a little female miniature, with clothes so tight around her body to be practically just decorations on the standard body siluette. Even the totem huntress and victoria pendrake, despite being the smallest ones we have seen, were still very dynamic, with a skulpted base detail and big weapons. The Runeball wizard is very minimalistic, static, and with as less details as possible. Her tricorn hat is very small compared to other gun mages models (even the female ones like the ATGM grunt or Ryan), her magelock seem very generic looking, and her cape is not-existant despite the original sculpt having a big one... Let's compare her to the original GMCA and AT Rifleman solos: Look at her cape and hat... Look at the shoulders of the rifleman. She doesn't have pouches, cartrige belts... She doesn't even have a sword, despite the model having it in its stats... While I like to have more sculpts for gun mages, the model is very un-inspired and bland. There could have been much more details that could have been added, and would have made it more worth of the ultra-high price tag... Models that simple are usually sold for 6-7 dollars, or even sold at 11 dollars for groups of 3 (like the stormcallers). 20 bucks for a miniature like that is a robbery. Attachments:
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Post by geo67 on Apr 24, 2018 13:26:46 GMT
Hmmm...thos are great points, as she does seem to be missing a lot of the details that we're used to.
I thinkt he price break is also to cover shipping (although, hidden behind the scenes we are still paying shipping), and the "collectability" factor. Like you won't be able to cruise into your LGS or PP store and actually buy this model. So, yeah, you're right, 8 dollar model, 11 tops, but for the other stuff, they are more.
The beauty is, this models is not key to play, and un needed, so we don't have to purchase it. I am on the fence, but do find a lot of the crate models intrigueing, and I need a second GMCA, so this will probably be a go for me.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Apr 24, 2018 13:46:27 GMT
Well, the swamp horror and the feralgeist are medium based miniatures, Ashlyn has an enormous pair of fiery wings, and Harlan versh has a gigantic crossbow and a big detailed cape. There is not comparison in size and complexity with a little female miniature, with clothes so tight around her body to be practically just decorations on the standard body siluette. Even the totem huntress and victoria pendrake, despite being the smallest ones we have seen, were still very dynamic, with a skulpted base detail and big weapons. The Runeball wizard is very minimalistic, static, and with as less details as possible. I didn't realise the Swamp Horror or Feralgeist were significantly larger. I don't think a dynamic pose or slightly larger weapons have much effect on the development or production costs; I would assume complexity (because of the increased sculpting time) and maybe number of parts are the biggest factors that determine production cost, and you're probably right that this model is less complex than many of the others so far (I dunno if it has less parts, but it might). I'm not sure the material costs are enough for model size (i.e. volume) to be a real factor, at least not when comparing her to the other small-based figures. Having said that, actual cost-per-unit depends on how many units you make, which depends on how many you expect to sell. She's a faction-specific solo (rather than a merc who can work for many factions), and many people who would play that solo in-game probably already have the original one, so it's possible that they anticipate less sales? You know, that makes me think: maybe minicrates are just selling less than they expected so they've had to scale back costs to keep it worthwhile? Not saying that's the case, just speculating on a possible reason why they might have gone for a model that may have required less investment (and in fact that they may even have already designed for other reasons, as it has been suggested might be the case). |
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Post by jisidro on Apr 24, 2018 14:46:14 GMT
It's a song from The Who called pinball wizard... You guys need a list for your Rock and Roll match-ups.
Pinball perhaps inspired by Gunmages trick shots?
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Post by scarecrow on Apr 24, 2018 16:47:47 GMT
I agree that it's not very inspired, but I'd rather have a normal gun mage sculpt than what we got for the Voltaic Vixen. I don't understand the design choices made with that model at all.
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Post by GrumpyBear on Apr 24, 2018 22:04:06 GMT
Side note: The term "caseless ammunition" isn't what you were reaching for, I don't think - that refers to modern bullets where the propellant is cast around the shot to form a 'case' that burns up, with the intent being to reduce ammo weight and increase cycling speed. Caseless is still a pre-assembled cartridge in the modern sense - if anything it'd probably be considered a "higher" tech level than brass-cased ammo. The older style of having separate components assembled in the gun is referred to usually as Muzzleloading or Cap-and-Ball depending on the specifics. I wasn't sure what to call it beyond paper cartridges, considering the main discussion is more the ammunition for the gun rather then muzzleloading. Sadly, those Rune Bullet examples are actually pretty bad, since all the parts that have the runes would probably stay with the pistol when fired. Unless the casing itself provides the magical field, it would be just as easy to inscribe those runes on the barrel of the gun itself if that is all that is needed. Furthermore, if the runes wore off or burned out the metal on use, it would be very easy to just make a removable barrel. That way a gun mage could use any ammunition he found, instead of inscribing them himself. |
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Post by aniron on Apr 26, 2018 8:01:12 GMT
I am already planned to split Black 13th into a GMCA(Lynch), Arcane Tempest Rifleman(Watts) and Taryn(Ryan)....With a sword Lynch is looks like a GMCA, and Watts needs a rifle but I have a copied part(and sword). Making Ryan Taryn is tricky, but maybe a hood would make more like Taryn than her former self.... I know Black 13th is playable now, but still I doubt that they are useful that much... and I am still hurted by the change that makes obsolete. You do know that Watts1 doesn't have a rifle, right? You could probably get away with using Watts2 (From Caine3), though the original Watts has a pistol.   |
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Post by droopingpuppy on Apr 26, 2018 11:48:28 GMT
I am already planned to split Black 13th into a GMCA(Lynch), Arcane Tempest Rifleman(Watts) and Taryn(Ryan)....With a sword Lynch is looks like a GMCA, and Watts needs a rifle but I have a copied part(and sword). Making Ryan Taryn is tricky, but maybe a hood would make more like Taryn than her former self.... I know Black 13th is playable now, but still I doubt that they are useful that much... and I am still hurted by the change that makes obsolete. You do know that Watts1 doesn't have a rifle, right? You could probably get away with using Watts2 (From Caine3), though the original Watts has a pistol. I was think about the plan even before Watts2 is announced, and I am actually surprised that Watts2 has a rifle which is same as my plan. As I said, I will give him a rifle part copied from Arcane Tempest Rifleman's one. |
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