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Post by ForEver_Blight on Apr 17, 2018 14:30:52 GMT
Can I ask what the community "standard" is for Krueger 2 bones?
I'm failling at finding it in a post on these boards. I'm going to the google machine now...
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xadmar
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Post by xadmar on Apr 17, 2018 16:18:15 GMT
Pretty much this is Maplewhiskeys which people salt to their own taste. Krueger2 -Megalith -Woldwarden -Woldwarden -Woldwyrd -Woldwyrd Sentry Stone & Mannikins Sentry Stone & Mannikins Shifting Stones Blackclad Wayfarer Blackclad Stoneshaper Blackclad Stoneshaper Mist Speaker Celestial Fulcrum 75
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Apr 17, 2018 19:27:05 GMT
It's dumb. My wife actually worked her way into the list herself (Never once read a single thing online). Played it last night with a slight variation. It is DUMB! you cannot escape it. 15 point unit of infantry? GONE. Want to cast your buffs that make you caster/army work? Suicide!. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
It's like I was playing against a Legion list or something >.>
#BlightWorldProblems
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Post by maplewhisky on Apr 17, 2018 20:12:41 GMT
*smirks in Krueger*
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xadmar
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Post by xadmar on Apr 17, 2018 20:22:47 GMT
It's dumb. My wife actually worked her way into the list herself (Never once read a single thing online). Played it last night with a slight variation. It is DUMB! you cannot escape it. 15 point unit of infantry? GONE. Want to cast your buffs that make you caster/army work? Suicide!. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH It's like I was playing against a Legion list or something >.> #BlightWorldProblems Give it some more practice and I am sure you will join your wife and the rest of us. One of us. One of us.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Apr 18, 2018 1:41:43 GMT
Yeah, the base Krueger list practically builds itself. I've been running something very similar since the Wold CID dropped.
Krueger2 is the only thing that's kept me going until our CID hits. I'd have taken a looooong hiatus if hadn't been there for me.
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 18, 2018 7:44:57 GMT
Yeah, the base Krueger list practically builds itself. I've been running something very similar since the Wold CID dropped. Krueger2 is the only thing that's kept me going until our CID hits. I'd have taken a looooong hiatus if hadn't been there for me. Heck for me, even Krueger2 wasn’t enough. Hopefully Tharn CiD will give us some more faction depth.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Apr 18, 2018 12:25:16 GMT
Can I ask what you don't want to see when playing Krueger 2?
I've got a local (casual) tournament coming up and right now the idea I'm leaning to is Lylyth 2 CotD. With 4 bolt throwers, Azrael, full archers + UA, and craelix i have more than enough ranged presencet to out shoot wyrds and the fulcrum. Even with his upkeep the Bolthrowers have a walking 15" threat range. Krueger 2 would have to start within 14, feat, then walk with the upkeep just to reduce my threat range to 13". I don't think that's a viable game plan.
But if I take L2 as my pair the other list has to carry a LOT of other matchups. Which, even with ADR, I don't think is going to go well enough... Because Gaspy 3 Black Industries, Bladur2 Wrath, and anything else that wants to have anything more than average armor.
So, just I would appreciate any insight.
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 18, 2018 14:35:19 GMT
Can I ask what you don't want to see when playing Krueger 2? I've got a local (casual) tournament coming up and right now the idea I'm leaning to is Lylyth 2 CotD. With 4 bolt throwers, Azrael, full archers + UA, and craelix i have more than enough ranged presencet to out shoot wyrds and the fulcrum. Even with his upkeep the Bolthrowers have a walking 15" threat range. Krueger 2 would have to start within 14, feat, then walk with the upkeep just to reduce my threat range to 13". I don't think that's a viable game plan. But if I take L2 as my pair the other list has to carry a LOT of other matchups. Which, even with ADR, I don't think is going to go well enough... Because Gaspy 3 Black Industries, Bladur2 Wrath, and anything else that wants to have anything more than average armor. So, just I would appreciate any insight. I mean I feel like Oracles under abby 2 should wreck face. You out-threaten him, you can trivially remove the wardens and wyrds, and the only problem models would be the fulcrum and Megalith. Your playing legion after all, so why not play the theme that everyone else is playing right? Or you could run Primal Terrors. Granted I think that's only really playable with chosen... I really think your best bet is to run flying beasts and try to remove Megalith and a warden with your alpha.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Apr 18, 2018 16:07:40 GMT
I mean I feel like Oracles under abby 2 should wreck face. You out-threaten him, you can trivially remove the wardens and wyrds, and the only problem models would be the fulcrum and Megalith. Your playing legion after all, so why not play the theme that everyone else is playing right? Or you could run Primal Terrors. Granted I think that's only really playable with chosen... I really think your best bet is to run flying beasts and try to remove Megalith and a warden with your alpha. I definitively disagree running anything because other people do. As for "out threat" no beast can threat 19-20" on melee. My problem is surviving the boostable guns/spells. I have no problem removing the models when I get there. Abby 2 does little to protect me. Psycho-surgery would fix a beast to get it to functional. But anyone who has played this game more than a day knows to kill beasts dead. I'm not saying Abby2 isn't capable or that Oracles is bad. Please don't think that's what I'm saying. With slipstream and feat Neraphs/Angels can reach 14" threat. I do believe that would be enough to get to wyrds and the heavies. Abby can kill a manakin to trigger alpha hunter easily enough. So it's all plausible. I can also use SS to reduce the annoyance of TK turning my models backwards. If Krueger gets his feat off I'm hampered a good bit. If he pops 1 or 2 flying beasts (likely the Angels) I'm severely down on damage output. Even if I go full flying circus spam so that I have enough threat range. I do not think i have enough to drop 3 heavies and a battle engine. (I also just don't own enough of the flying models to begin to run that kind of list)
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 18, 2018 16:35:48 GMT
ForEver_Blight I guess a big part of it is going to be terrain as well. A house/obstruction would be really favorable to you, but a forest would be a bit more favorable to krueger. I am not saying Oracles is an auto win by any means. I do think its your best option until chosen come out though. My "everyone else is doing it" was mostly a shot at how poor internal balance in legion is now. Because it seems to be oracles is the best way to play, outside of some very niche lists.
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Post by elshinare on Apr 18, 2018 17:17:41 GMT
ForEver_Blight I guess a big part of it is going to be terrain as well. A house/obstruction would be really favorable to you, but a forest would be a bit more favorable to krueger. I am not saying Oracles is an auto win by any means. I do think its your best option until chosen come out though. My "everyone else is doing it" was mostly a shot at how poor internal balance in legion is now. Because it seems to be oracles is the best way to play, outside of some very niche lists. Krueger 2 ...because everyone else is doing it
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 18, 2018 19:37:19 GMT
elshinare except circle can run CoTW, and Devo Host successfully. So I don’t think it applies the same to circle. Besides once Tharn CiD happens we will see plenty of diversity.
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Post by elshinare on Apr 18, 2018 20:50:01 GMT
Well, in general it's mostly Bones lists, with splashes of other stuff here and there, isn't it? double bones but different casters, or bones same caster just slight change in line-up. or Una 2 with bones, haven't seen many Devo host lists so not sure what they run tbh
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xadmar
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Post by xadmar on Apr 18, 2018 21:38:22 GMT
I am running Kaya 3 for the most part right now. In tourneys I pair with Baulder 2 since I dont have the models for a good Krueger 2 list.
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