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Post by Lorian on Apr 23, 2018 12:23:03 GMT
I really like the idea of Caine0. I see some use for him. Though i must admit, i dont like the warjack tax on him. But there are some lists in which i would use him. Boosting for non Jack and non Warcaster models seems like great utility for me. And if i dont like the model I finally have an excuse to buy Caine3 xD .
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Apr 23, 2018 12:28:40 GMT
Would quite like to try him with a Centurion in a Haley 2 list, the Centurion can get Empowered by Arlan and probably Temporal Accelerated, it can then go in on a tough Heavy, ding it up a bit and put up polarity shield, Caine0 then moves up and spirit doors it back so it is out of walking threat range of the Heavy it damaged.
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Post by darkangeldentist on Apr 23, 2018 20:04:14 GMT
Would quite like to try him with a Centurion in a Haley 2 list, the Centurion can get Empowered by Arlan and probably Temporal Accelerated, it can then go in on a tough Heavy, ding it up a bit and put up polarity shield, Caine0 then moves up and spirit doors it back so it is out of walking threat range of the Heavy it damaged. Whilst I can see the benefit of him doing this with a heavy I find the idea of a minuteman just so much more appealing. It would be a decent(ish) target for fire for effect too but yanking a minuteman back from 16" away just seems fun. (Total jank but funny jank nonetheless.)
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Apr 23, 2018 22:48:13 GMT
Yeah... I give up. I gain nothing from convincing you that Caine0 has many good possible uses, and while you ignore half of what I write because it's "obviously wrong", it seems to me that most people agree with me, so it seems "obvious" that noone here can play or understands the game but you. "I have more people who agree with me, so I am right" is not a correct claim and you know it. Have there been any more niche strategies you want to throw at the wall and see if they stick? Because so far I've only ignored your arguments that are easy to refute because I can only put down to you being frustrated. Cygnars top end is fine, Caine0 is an uninspiring release.
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Post by gobber on Apr 24, 2018 0:57:57 GMT
Buffing the strong points of a high performing faction seems like poor design to me. Sure, caine0 is uninspiring when viewed in that lens, but in my mind it'd be poor game design if he were. It definitely seems like he at least moves some of Cygnar's C options to B+/A-; I'd hazard there are a few cases beyond siege where he brings A- stuff up into competitive lists as well.
Community feeling at the end of CID is at best an imperfect indicator of the eventual competitiveness--I'm just remembering my own feelings that the valkyries were uninspiring at the end of CID but I couldn't be happier with them now. PP setting community expectations too high with snipe seems like a significant culprit for dissatisfaction with the end result which may subside somewhat by the time he's released.
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Post by Sarcastastic on Apr 24, 2018 1:36:39 GMT
Could you be any more of a dismissive and petulant child? You literally are so dead set to declare him bad, and just bad mouth anyone who says otherwise and tell them they're "flat wrong" for not agreeing with you. Do you want your cookie and to say you're right? Just let people enjoy their piece they will get mileage out of while you sit around moping that other people like it.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Apr 24, 2018 9:15:43 GMT
Would quite like to try him with a Centurion in a Haley 2 list, the Centurion can get Empowered by Arlan and probably Temporal Accelerated, it can then go in on a tough Heavy, ding it up a bit and put up polarity shield, Caine0 then moves up and spirit doors it back so it is out of walking threat range of the Heavy it damaged. Whilst I can see the benefit of him doing this with a heavy I find the idea of a minuteman just so much more appealing. It would be a decent(ish) target for fire for effect too but yanking a minuteman back from 16" away just seems fun. (Total jank but funny jank nonetheless.) agreed, Minuteman seems the obvious choice if you are not taking Ace
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