Fang
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Post by Fang on Apr 5, 2018 8:01:00 GMT
Since I accidentally helped derail the Ashlynn in LR theme thread with talk of Ashlynn conversions, I thought it would be best if I made a separate thread to house the many models/conversions/proxies for Ashlynn and to discuss how to create even more! Listen, Ashlynn kitbash/glamour shots totally deserves it's own thread. That first sculpt is so impossibly bad. Ask and ye shall receive! Official ModelsOriginal: Store PicUsing the first sculpt at the moment. The actual full body and pose of the model is completely fine, the gun can be put quite nicely down along her body so it looks like she's holding it in position rather than swinging it wildly behind her. Her biggest problem is the head, and specifically the face. The newer sculpts are much more detailed and have her ponytail properly sculpted. Flag (pp store exclusive): Store Pic, PropaintedSo, I think we've discovered there are about 1,000,000,000 ways to convert Ashlynn. Personally, I prefer the alt flag sculpt. Especially after seeing some of the pros paint it up with all sorts of extra free hand work on the flag. Minicrate: Minicrate PicIs awesome and the non-believers will be sternly frowned at. ConversionsThere's also - this- Ashlynn conversion (my favorite). Fiona’s body + head, Ashlynn’s arms and greenstuff work That's - this- conversion, yes? Edit: nvm. That's Laddermore's body and Jr's backpack. Azuresun did a nice conversion you can see on page 2 Gobber also has a neat conversion to match with his PoM LR, picture is on page 2 Y'all inspired me! Here's my contribution to the pot: Thyra body+ash weapons+statuesque minis headswap (matches my female llaelese exemplars)
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Post by Fang on Apr 5, 2018 8:28:23 GMT
The conversion I am currently thinking about is based off the fire theme of the minicrate model without the wings, using the original sculpt bits to build off of, and the head of -this- model from raging heroes. If possible maybe having the flames instead of enveloping her, pushed away by her warcaster awesomeness? I really love the flag conversions though, so would like to incorporate that if there is room and it doesn't make it too busy.. Maybe something like her standing on a smoldering ruin with a partially burnt flag?
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Apr 5, 2018 16:09:47 GMT
Oooo I love that concept! As you were describing it, I was totally seeing it in my mind. The burnt flag would be so cool. Also, I suppose that Fire Step was right; its just the face. It's so bad!
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Post by fallenexile on Apr 5, 2018 16:14:05 GMT
I think wings and a flag may be too much. But I do like that RagingHeroes mini. Even her outfit reminds me of Ashlynn. I'll be attempting something like - THIS- as soon as I get my hands on an alternate sculpt. But who am I kidding. There no WAY I'll be able to paint like that. I mean... look at it!
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Fang
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Post by Fang on Apr 5, 2018 17:00:40 GMT
Oooo I love that concept! As you were describing it, I was totally seeing it in my mind. The burnt flag would be so cool. Also, I suppose that Fire Step was right; its just the face. It's so bad! Yeah, he definitely is on to something, luckily I have a head section in my bits box so I should be able to pull something off. Wanna bet by the end of this I'll have half a dozen Ashlynns I think wings and a flag may be too much. But I do like that RagingHeroes mini. Even her outfit reminds me of Ashlynn. I'll be attempting something like - THIS- as soon as I get my hands on an alternate sculpt. But who am I kidding. There no WAY I'll be able to paint like that. I mean... look at it! That is a very very impressive diorama! They did a stunning job indeed. Are you going for the full diorama, or perhaps a removable base in a diorama? If so I would love to see it! The more I see of the sculpt the more I have to agree with everyone, it does look amazing. Alas, I can't get ahold of one easily here (it'd be 35-40 euros haha) but I love making my own thing so perhaps it is good fortune for me in the end! On the raging heroes angel, I agree and probably will not use the entire model, especially not the wings. Luckily its a tgg2 raging heroes figure which means it is in 15+ pieces (I am not exaggerating, the wings are in at least 8 pieces) so I can grab bits I want for Ashlynn. I didn't really think about it because it would break the conversion rules but you are definitely right now that I look at it, the piece without wings itself could be a straight proxy for Ashlynn fairly easily... Definitely going to give me fuel for my schemes, thanks!
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Post by fallenexile on Apr 5, 2018 17:05:31 GMT
Not likely going the full diorama route unless it's some sort of tournament board I can convert to hold the whole list.
But yeah, that paint job is very far beyond my own modest abilities. I can attempt, but the execution would not do the inspiration nor the model any justice.
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Fang
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Post by Fang on Apr 5, 2018 17:49:48 GMT
Not likely going the full diorama route unless it's some sort of tournament board I can convert to hold the whole list. But yeah, that paint job is very far beyond my own modest abilities. I can attempt, but the execution would not do the inspiration nor the model any justice. That would be an epic carrying tray... Be careful, I might end up doing something insane because of ideas like this While the freehand stuff does look great, I'm sure you'd make a solid piece for the table that you can be proud of regardless. If nothing else, I remember some of the guys in the painting section and they were/are super helpful, they'd probably have tips that help you out if you are worried about your ability. I mean, I'm terrible at painting to be honest, when I get a good looking piece a metal I get really excited (you'd think black base + metallic already looks pretty good, how hard can it be, then you see some of my work xD). My lady on the other hand has already moved on to freehand on her favourite models even though we started around the same time and I paint more so maybe I can convince her that my robots aren't really robots but actually pretty princesses or fierce rangeresses... She gives me a hard enough time over my robots costing more than her super fancy darksword minis (btw if you haen't seen um already, some of the darksword range are definitely up at the top of beautiful minis imo...)
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Post by Xintas on Apr 5, 2018 18:50:16 GMT
Darksword puts out some amazing models; agreed. That Ashlynn is nuts. The freehand on that flag is mindblowing...
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Post by walden on Apr 8, 2018 15:44:31 GMT
How do you even learn to paint that way? Amy resources people know of?
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Post by fallenexile on Apr 8, 2018 22:35:09 GMT
How do you even learn to paint that way? Amy resources people know of? A LOT of practice, patience, and natural talent. A large magnifying glass, a tiny brush, and a very steady hand probably help as well.
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Fang
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Post by Fang on Apr 9, 2018 12:30:37 GMT
How do you even learn to paint that way? Amy resources people know of? What fallen said, as for resources I did like watching Ghool's tips from time to time. I'm not a good painter so I don't know how much help they are, but Ghool has some excellent pieces of art, so it might be a place to start. Here is an archive of the old forums' thread by Ghool, just a list of youtube links though he gives some advice in the thread iirc: privateerpressforums.com/archive/index.php/t-246032.htmlOther than that, I know Darksword has some painting videos but they cost money and I have no idea as to the quality of the content. If you have a specific question, the guys in the painting subforum here are quite helpful, and I believe SoulSamurai there (if I am not mixing up names) is quite good at giving advice based on pictures of painted mini's from what I have seen by browsing that subforum. I feel it might be a matter of not trying too many techniques at once and building up those before starting new ones. Nowadays people give the advice of buying some cheap plastic army men or the like and practicing on those, so that might be an idea. Also a good brush and good paint probably helps a bit as well.
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Post by Xintas on Apr 9, 2018 13:19:47 GMT
Fang seems to have the right of it (not that I'm a good painter, mind), but I would also add that it is a difference of expectations. I sit down to paint a unit of steelheads and get annoyed if it takes me longer than a couple hours. That ashlynn probably took weeks.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Apr 9, 2018 14:54:19 GMT
and I believe SoulSamurai there (if I am not mixing up names) is quite good at giving advice based on pictures of painted mini's from what I have seen by browsing that subforum. Thanks. I don't know that my advice is particularly good as I'm not much of an artist myself, I just enjoy the painting forums and try to keep them active by posting as much as possible. As far as learning to paint at the level of that Ashlynn: seeing as I'm nowhere near that level, I can only assume the keys are hard work, much practice, sharing of ideas with like-minded peers, and selling your soul to the Devil.
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Post by Fang on May 26, 2018 16:07:16 GMT
The conversion I am currently thinking about is based off the fire theme of the minicrate model without the wings, using the original sculpt bits to build off of, and the head of -this- model from raging heroes. If possible maybe having the flames instead of enveloping her, pushed away by her warcaster awesomeness? I really love the flag conversions though, so would like to incorporate that if there is room and it doesn't make it too busy.. Maybe something like her standing on a smoldering ruin with a partially burnt flag?
It begins...
Sorry for the poor lighting and general poorness of the picture, its a wip pic from my bench from while the clay/epoxy mix was still wet even. I am working on heads today, so hopefully a pic of the head options I'm considering to follow.
Edit: a bit of explanation. Ashlynn's model takes up a lot of space due to the wide leg pose, so I needed the flames to be outside of normal 25mm inner circle of a lipped base. So I based it on a 30mm washer (these things are more exact than pp bases in my experience), and where the lip would normally be I sculpted the fire around a central piece of stone. Unfortunately, I feel that the stone is far too high compared to the flames from this angle (looks ok from a overhead distance), so I will probably be adding larger flames to correct this. Its not quite clear in this picture but the flames are going slightliy out ward, to get the invisible shield effect I wanted. Larger flames would also help in this aspect.
Also its closer to white (not that it matters as I will prime it later) but I didn't have my normal lighting setup going for whatever reason so it appears yellow. The material is primarily das clay (I have since moved on to off brand due to some terrain projects), the edges might have had my leftover milliput mixed into the clay, I can't remember too well...
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Post by Soul Samurai on May 26, 2018 16:48:38 GMT
This looks promising!
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