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Post by bloodsplatterartist on Mar 20, 2018 21:59:38 GMT
Is there a reason none of these lists have tibbers in them? I thought he works really well with both xerxis1. Mat8 and overtake make him surprisingly good at mulching through troops and having access to bulldoze and repulsion seems like a pretty repulsive scenario combo. What is that a 5 inch total push on xerxis' phat ass?
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Post by sludgeogre on Mar 20, 2018 22:06:15 GMT
Is there a reason none of these lists have tibbers in them? I thought he works really well with both xerxis1. Mat8 and overtake make him surprisingly good at mulching through troops and having access to bulldoze and repulsion seems like a pretty repulsive scenario combo. What is that a 5 inch total push on xerxis' phat ass? He just costs too much. If they brought him down at least 2 points I would consider it, but where he's at now I'd rather take a Bronzeback and some other stuff. Every time I try to shove him in there I end up at absurdly low model counts without the tools I need to make it work.
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Post by demonic on Mar 21, 2018 1:24:49 GMT
pretty much what Sludge says. He costs a titan and a half, which removes 2 titans from the list and makes you have to go wacky with the points. I, personally, have a tibs in my list but it's more because I don't have enough duplicate titans and am always using stand ins. For me, he's just an attention getter so that the rest of the titans can arrive with less damage; I put him where the opponent would want to focus their attacks so that my other beasties are at full boxes when its time to slam.
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Post by oranjejus on Mar 21, 2018 3:34:03 GMT
I never consider Tibbers Well, that's not true. I love the model and once I've painted him I will need to play him. A lot. But until then, he's way down on the paint priority list so who knows when that'll be. But that cost.... dayum. Let's take that last list for example. The logical approach to get him in would be to take out a Sentry and Razor Worm. But the worm is so damn cool I'd die a little inside if I did that myself.
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Post by demonic on Mar 21, 2018 5:54:56 GMT
actually it'd be to drop 1 sentry, 1 gladiator, and the razor worm for Tibs, a Rhinodon, and some spare change... at least until the razor worm gains a 2 inch reach... cuz ya know, he's a serpent whose bite range doesn't include the length of his neck (0.5 inch) -.- and is apparently shorter in length than a hellmouth solo x.x
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Post by walden on Mar 21, 2018 14:40:40 GMT
Is there a reason none of these lists have tibbers in them? I thought he works really well with both xerxis1. Mat8 and overtake make him surprisingly good at mulching through troops and having access to bulldoze and repulsion seems like a pretty repulsive scenario combo. What is that a 5 inch total push on xerxis' phat ass? I'm only collecting two lists for every faction, my other Skorne list has tibbers in it (xerxis1 infantry heavy). For me I'd rather have a bronze back on this list for fury management help.
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Post by gordo on Mar 21, 2018 15:37:04 GMT
I have run a Titan herd with Xerxes2 in Imperial Warhost to great effect. For how simple it is to play it works pretty well (great for our "Drunk-machine" nights):
War Room Army
Skorne - x2 dumb
Theme: Imperial Warhost 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Xerxis, Fury of Halaak - WB: +28 - Archidon - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Archidon - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Bronzeback Titan - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Titan Gladiator - PC: 15 - Titan Gladiator - PC: 15 - Cyclops Shaman - PC: 8 - Titan Sentry - PC: 15 - Agonizer - PC: 0 - Agonizer - PC: 0 - Basilisk Krea - PC: 0
Paingiver Beast Handlers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 7 Paingiver Beast Handlers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 5
THEME: Imperial Warhost ---
GENERATED : 03/21/2018 11:35:39 BUILD ID : 2061.18-02-21
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Mar 23, 2018 13:01:33 GMT
I played against it several times, either led by Xerxis2 or Zaadesh2. Especially the Xerxis2 build was quite interesting. Though I'd say you still need support beasts like Krea or Agonizer. Personally I'd try it with Xerxis1 just because rule of cool. Agonizer still technically counts as atitan herd model though right?
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Post by demonic on Mar 24, 2018 12:31:33 GMT
a baby titan that's being tortured with metal blades being pierced all through his body... totally ^-^
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Post by gordo on Mar 24, 2018 18:01:35 GMT
Skorne is the only civilization firetrucked up enough to weaponize the cries of a tortured baby elephant.
I love this faction.
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Post by jonnyboy on Apr 10, 2018 23:50:41 GMT
What a strange coincidence. I've been thinking about dipping into hordes/skorne recently and these lists are almost exactly what I was building hah. For awhile I was trying to fit in Tiberion, but he is just so damn expensive.
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Post by demonic on Apr 11, 2018 3:28:38 GMT
eh, I wouldn't recommend running hordes if you are interested in beast bricks. All the factions may have lists that run a lot of beasts but we do it in an entirely different way due to the absolutely retardedly high cost of our beasts, especially those on large bases. Instead of factions like Khador and Menoth that just require a jack focused caster, hordes has to rely on absolute synergy between every model on the field. If our support dies or specific beasts die we suddenly lose the ability to even stand up to a jack spam's knees. A good example with Skorne is simply killing our Kreas and suddenly we become prey to any model with a decent powered gun. Kill our Agonizers and melee also becomes a breeze. Kill the gladiator titan and we no longer have an answer to terrain features. Kill our beast handlers and we can no longer one round arm 22 heavies without a warlock buff. Beast handlers are also our main fury management pieces, meaning taking them out is about the same thing as snipping our beasts' balls off. Even titan herds have prerequisites that make us actually only be able to field 4, 5 max, with plenty of sacrifices. Due to their speed, Xerxis2 is the best caster for them, but only has 5 fury. Even if you do use Xerxis2, his huge base means you need to run an archidon for sprint and either a rhinodon or razor wurm for additional armor. The expensive bronzeback becomes a must for fury management and the cyclops shaman is the cheap way of getting a model that can use the animi of any of our beasts. Then you need at least 1 agonizer and krea for proper delivery, 7-10 beast handlers... without IWH our support bloat would be INSANE! The reason for offing a titan and the archidon for a derp turtle is because at least the turtle can block LoS to Xerxis2 while he's sitting at 21 arm from spiked armor; 23 if you count Aggy and krea... and yet he still gets assassinated like crazy due to how far up front he needs to be for his 10 inch ctrl range to reach everything.
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Post by granor on Apr 11, 2018 10:30:38 GMT
Even if you do use Xerxis2, his huge base means you need to run an archidon for sprint and either a rhinodon or razor wurm for additional armor. Xerxis2 has sprint on his card no need for the archidon
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Post by zich on Apr 11, 2018 11:40:39 GMT
What a strange coincidence. I've been thinking about dipping into hordes/skorne recently and these lists are almost exactly what I was building hah. For awhile I was trying to fit in Tiberion, but he is just so damn expensive. In my opinion, Skorne are the worst faction in the game to run a lot of heavies with (aside of course from the very spammable Archidon). You are better off looking to any other faction for that, particularly Grymkin.
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Post by sludgeogre on Apr 12, 2018 17:02:42 GMT
I'm having a ton of success with Zaadesh2 right now, and if you look at tournament lists, there's a lot of people running Skorne beast bricks, although Rasheth in Winds of Death is still probably our most powerful list. Not sure why people think the lists fall apart if you lose the agonizer or krea. I mean, they are incredible, and they win me games outright when I protect them properly, but there's still a game to be played if they're dead. Sentries at arm 21 and Bronzeback at arm 21 with Invioable Resolve can still contest for a long time and remove a lot of stuff. Sentry with Invioable Resolve on a zone will keep that thing contested for quite a while. It's fun as hell. My highest win rate with any caster for this year is with this list: conflictchamber.com/#c9201b_-0LgO6r6r6U4x4D5G6AfI5VhVhVSkorne Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Imperial Warhost (Zaadesh 2) Lord Tyrant Zaadesh [+28] - Agonizer [0(6)] - Agonizer [0(6)] - Archidon [10] - Basilisk Krea [0(7)] - Bronzeback Titan [18] - Titan Gladiator [15] - Titan Sentry [15] Bog Trog Mist Speaker [4] Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7] Siege Animantarax [17] Siege Animantarax [17]
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