twity
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Post by twity on Mar 16, 2018 16:00:37 GMT
Nice combined arms list with Ravagores/Angelii. Looks fun. Abby1 had been my favorite since her release. Glad Playing God is back in name, even if not the same (oh for a two-hand throwing Raek!!) I worry about scenario presence/effectiveness. Especially against warjack, or other spam of the moment, whatever that may be in your venue. (In ours it's Slayers, Ret Griffions or Khador 5-6 warjacks, 3x Skin & Moans, etc) Another CID shaking up my theorizing and playing! Thanks for making my old models into 'new' models PP! You should be good vs Slayers, Griffons, and most of Khador. Simply plop your favored warbeast in a zone and nail it in the rear with blight burst. This makes it so anything without two inch weapons cannot use focus/fury while they engage on it. There are a few workarounds (pushes/pulls) but all almost guarantee you will get a favorable trade. You can also punish colossals in a jack heavy list by just plopping the blight burst on them. As for skin and moans, shoot them off the board with ravagores. The trick here is to not give your grymkin corpses before you do the majority of the damage. Proteus also really comes into his own here, as he grievous wounds all but ensures that you can prevent whatever you engage on from retaliating. Most of Grymkins ranged defensive tech is pretty terrible vs legion as well. You might want to consider trying to kill the crabbits with hotswapped refuge angel shots.
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Post by blightbuddy on Mar 18, 2018 3:09:24 GMT
Played this 3x today in a local steamroller; went 3-0 but I still think there is room for improvement:
War Room Army
Legion of Everblight - Test Abby1
Theme: Oracles of Annihilation 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Absylonia, Terror of Everblight - WB: +31 - Angelius - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Seraph - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) - Neraph - PC: 12 - Neraph - PC: 12 - Neraph - PC: 12 - Naga Nightlurker - PC: 8 - Proteus - PC: 19
Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion - PC: 0 The Forsaken - PC: 0 The Forsaken - PC: 0 Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1 Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1 Spell Martyr - PC: 1 Spell Martyr - PC: 1
Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8
First game vs. Thags 1; relatively new player who clocked himself - not much to report.
Second game vs. Orion w/ a Prime Axiom and the TEP. I ended up slimstreaming the Sorceress to end up next to his TEP and neuter it completely. Then I charged a Playing God Neraph into his lone melee jack, and (barely) one-rounded it. Next turn, Neraph charges and kills Orion.
Third game vs. Child and 3x Cage Ragers and 3x Skin and Moans. I charge a gremlin swarm in front of Child bottom of 2, but b/c I can’t buy talon attacks (Child still too far after pull) I settle for bought tentacles and then bought tail attacks from the Angel (charge went into the gremlin swarm b/c Child was behind a forest). Left Child on approx 8 boxes. Ashen Veil saved the day as I had 4 heavies all benefitting from it after I hot-swapped PG from Proteus onto the Angel (15” threat is really good). He kills 3 heavies on his turn (all staring Child down), but sacrifices scenario to do so, and I end up taking the game.
I never cast Blight Burst all three games. Wild Agression was mostly useless. Refuge was also mostly useless. It’s best use came from Abby charging stuff, swapping it to her and then scooting away. The Angel really benefits well from all three buffs, and I usually started off with Wild Agression there (Proteus needs Playing God for flight and 15” threat) since none of the Neraphs really need it. I tried Refuge on thr Angel, the Naga, and Abby. I understand how it could be great on an angel, but I always seemed to need the +2 STR more, especially since I only got in one armour pierce in three games.
I didn’t play against an infantry list, and think that may be problematic, and I ran very hot kn Fury occasionally, so I would look to add a Throne somewhere, and it’s always worth considering swapping the Valkyries for Ice Witches for more offensive output.
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Post by maximumhippo on Mar 19, 2018 3:45:52 GMT
Alright, Hear me out. Absy1 in CotD. Refuge + Azreal; because I'm pretty sure that's just awesome. Playing god + Zuriel; Ashen veil + Dodge + bonus STR as needed + Spd buff whenever. Archers + S&H; drop the blight storm on a heavy, plink it for 15-20 damage, then send in a Soldier to mop up OR blight storm and remove a unit of iron fangs/halbs/other. Craelix; finally, a list with archers. NBS; for landing Kiss and blight field that much easier. Warlord; Just money. I've theory crafted like seven versions of this list. The synergies feel like they're really strong, but I'm having a hard time deciding what this might be a good drop into. I think there is game, but it almost feels like it falls over to most of the common skews. Anybody got any feedback? conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0uaJg_cOaLbweKbbbbbefUkacobraTaULegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Children of the Dragon (Absylonia 1) Absylonia, Terror of Everblight [+31] - Azrael [21] - Nephilim Bloodseer [8] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Proteus [19] - Zuriel [18] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [6] Blighted Nyss Warlord [0(5)] Craelix, Fang of Everblight [0(6)] Spell Martyr [1] Blackfrost Shard [9] Blighted Nyss Archers (max) [13] - Blighted Nyss Archer Officer & Ammo Porter [0(5)]
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Post by davycannonhound on Mar 19, 2018 4:27:31 GMT
Alright, Hear me out. Absy1 in CotD. Refuge + Azreal; because I'm pretty sure that's just awesome. Playing god + Zuriel; Ashen veil + Dodge + bonus STR as needed + Spd buff whenever. Archers + S&H; drop the blight storm on a heavy, plink it for 15-20 damage, then send in a Soldier to mop up OR blight storm and remove a unit of iron fangs/halbs/other. Craelix; finally, a list with archers. NBS; for landing Kiss and blight field that much easier. Warlord; Just money. I've theory crafted like seven versions of this list. The synergies feel like they're really strong, but I'm having a hard time deciding what this might be a good drop into. I think there is game, but it almost feels like it falls over to most of the common skews. Anybody got any feedback? conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0uaJg_cOaLbweKbbbbbefUkacobraTaULegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Children of the Dragon (Absylonia 1) Absylonia, Terror of Everblight [+31] - Azrael [21] - Nephilim Bloodseer [8] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Proteus [19] - Zuriel [18] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [6] Blighted Nyss Warlord [0(5)] Craelix, Fang of Everblight [0(6)] Spell Martyr [1] Blackfrost Shard [9] Blighted Nyss Archers (max) [13] - Blighted Nyss Archer Officer & Ammo Porter [0(5)] I feel like you would be better off with a nephilim and lesser spam + proteus. You want her feat to do as much work as possible, and unyielding should stack nicely with that. I cant deny that Archers plus Sorceress is a great combo, I just think that Lyllyth2 does it a lot better.
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twity
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Post by twity on Mar 19, 2018 11:25:09 GMT
I like the idea of CotD Abby, but I think it is inefficient.
My main issue is that I have three powerful upkeeps and three good targets for them. I can't really hotswap refuge well, as I will have to juggle the upkeeps onto all new targets. This means wild aggression is probably getting left out in the cold. I also really want playing god on all three of my beasts, they all are a little pillowfisted until they get the Str bonus and Azrael really loves it with his gun.
I can also provide flying to anything (I think this is one of the strongest aspects of the spell) but Azrael and Zurel don't need it.
I like the concept, I just would prefer it with Thagrosh or Abby2, because I do think you need that third character heavy to make CotD viable.
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whydak
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Post by whydak on Mar 22, 2018 21:24:11 GMT
I played list below twice today and it was performing very nice. I still need some reps but I like what she brings to faction. And Archangel is awesome with her conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0taJaPkObvbwaObbbecocob9b9jDLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Oracles of Annihilation (Absylonia 1) Absylonia, Terror of Everblight [+31] - Angelius [17] - Archangel [37] - Naga Nightlurker [8] - Proteus [19] - Seraph [14] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [0(6)] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] The Forsaken [0(4)] The Forsaken [0(4)] Farrow Valkyries [8] I will try to do some battle reports soon.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Mar 24, 2018 18:48:18 GMT
conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0taJkOkHcObwbbbeb9b9jxhWLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Oracles of Annihilation (Absylonia 1) Absylonia, Terror of Everblight [+31] - Archangel [37] - Carnivean [18] - Nephilim Bloodseer [8] - Proteus [19] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [0(6)] The Forsaken [0(4)] The Forsaken [0(4)] Ice Witches [7] Throne of Everblight [16] This is what I was running in CID, except with 1 more shepherd due to the cheaper AA. List was very promising and powerful.
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newsun
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Post by newsun on Mar 25, 2018 5:51:37 GMT
I love this though what's the pairing?
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danx
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Post by danx on Mar 26, 2018 9:13:36 GMT
I think Carnivians will be better for her.
As I think they have a good chance of not dying, but taking damage the turn before you feat. Refuge and Wild aggression and playing god are really good on all of them.
(Absylonia 1) Absylonia, Terror of Everblight [+31] - Carnivean [18] - Carnivean [18] - Carnivean [18] - Naga Nightlurker [8] - Proteus [19] - Seraph [14] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [0(6)] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] The Forsaken [0(4)] The Forsaken [0(4)] Ice Witches [7]
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danx
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Post by danx on Mar 26, 2018 9:14:21 GMT
Sheild guards may be better than the ice witches. I can't quite decide.
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newsun
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Post by newsun on Mar 27, 2018 5:07:05 GMT
This is one I am considering...
War Room Army
Legion of Everblight - pAbby oracles
Theme: Oracles of Annihilation 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Absylonia, Terror of Everblight - WB: +31 - Proteus - PC: 19 - Nephilim Bloodseer - PC: 8 - Archangel - PC: 37 (Battlegroup Points Used: 31) - Carnivean - PC: 18 - Seraph - PC: 14
Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion - PC: 0 The Forsaken - PC: 0 The Forsaken - PC: 0 Spell Martyr - PC: 1
Blackfrost Shard - Sevryn, Rhylyss & Vysarr: 9
THEME: Oracles of Annihilation ---
GENERATED : 03/26/2018 22:05:12 BUILD ID : 2061.18-02-21
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danx
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Post by danx on Mar 28, 2018 13:48:37 GMT
(Absylonia 1) Absylonia, Terror of Everblight [+31] - Carnivean [18] - Carnivean [18] - Carnivean [18] - Naga Nightlurker [8] - Proteus [19] - Seraph [14] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [0(6)] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] The Forsaken [0(4)] The Forsaken [0(4)] Ice Witches [7]
I got 3 games in with this - 2 vs Locke, and one vs Skarre1 Darkhost.
Its really strong. Game one with Locke was very short as 3 Icewitched carnivians do 24 damage and set you on fire on average to Arm17 it seems. If you are within 19",20" and 21" apparently.
Good control, refuge is great on a Carnivian or Abby1 herself, even vs Skarre with Grevious wounds all over the place I still managed to get good use from the feat. I was using Carnivians to spray stalkers down at every opportunity mind - the heavy jack had grevious wounds too though which I didn't know!
Edit: I'm not sure she will make my pairing - there are too many models that stop healing and its hard to heal a lot with her feat with this list. I find healing may be 20 damage is easy, then you get the feat - which is a lot like +2 arm?
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flogger
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Post by flogger on Mar 31, 2018 17:19:02 GMT
I'm not sure she will make my pairing - there are too many models that stop healing and its hard to heal a lot with her feat with this list. I find healing may be 20 damage is easy, then you get the feat - which is a lot like +2 arm? I think the Gargantuans are for her. They're immune to grievous and you do benefit a lot more from healing an AA than a Carnivean. But I haven't tried it yet myself, it's all just theorymachine.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Mar 31, 2018 17:29:03 GMT
I think the Gargantuans are for her. They're immune to grievous and you do benefit a lot more from healing an AA than a Carnivean. But I haven't tried it yet myself, it's all just theorymachine. Where does it say gargantuans are immune to grievous wounds?
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Post by rhonlore on Mar 31, 2018 18:48:00 GMT
I think the Gargantuans are for her. They're immune to grievous and you do benefit a lot more from healing an AA than a Carnivean. But I haven't tried it yet myself, it's all just theorymachine. Where does it say gargantuans are immune to grievous wounds? Under the Gargantuan rule "Massive". Battle Engines are the same.
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