Choco
Junior Strategist
Gorten, best feet in the game.
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Post by Choco on Mar 13, 2018 20:21:44 GMT
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Post by Gamingdevil on Mar 14, 2018 13:43:43 GMT
It's interesting that they ended up changing Typhon as well even though they seemed quite averse to it during the CID. I also get the feeling that they're not selling enough Hooch Haulers, even though the inclusion in that particular theme force definitely makes sense.
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Post by jisidro on Mar 14, 2018 14:08:12 GMT
It's interesting that they ended up changing Typhon as well even though they seemed quite averse to it during the CID. I also get the feeling that they're not selling enough Hooch Haulers, even though the inclusion in that particular theme force definitely makes sense. Hooch Hauler has a number of issues that probably make people not buy him... perhaps just one.
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Asmoridin
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Getting back into the game after too long a hiatus!
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Post by Asmoridin on Mar 14, 2018 14:36:30 GMT
CID changes seem really good- I hope to see our Legion player(s) get more excited about playing now that some of their favorite stuff has improved or been made cheaper.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Mar 14, 2018 15:41:08 GMT
It's interesting that they ended up changing Typhon as well even though they seemed quite averse to it during the CID. I also get the feeling that they're not selling enough Hooch Haulers, even though the inclusion in that particular theme force definitely makes sense. Hooch Hauler has a number of issues that probably make people not buy him... perhaps just one. Yes, but only being available in a single theme certainly didn't help. It also adds some decent utility to the United Kriels theme.
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joedj
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Post by joedj on Mar 15, 2018 23:53:49 GMT
Gorten and Exulon may Feat push those Hellmouth Tentacles right out of the world! Oh, and ranged Push effects can also RFP instantly, bypassing that Impervious Flesh entirely...Will current CMD 8 be enough with that change? Interesting, the addition or change of LoE Crit Fire attacks to Continuous Fire/Magical (Thag2) attacks as Immunities are being considered... (ps I should've bought that cheap Archangel )
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Post by Gamingdevil on Mar 16, 2018 9:01:28 GMT
Gorten and Exulon may Feat push those Hellmouth Tentacles right out of the world! Oh, and ranged Push effects can also RFP instantly, bypassing that Impervious Flesh entirely...Will current CMD 8 be enough with that change? Interesting, the addition or change of LoE Crit Fire attacks to Continuous Fire/Magical (Thag2) attacks as Immunities are being considered... (ps I should've bought that cheap Archangel ) 8 is quite a lot already, it gives the tentacles about 11.5" threat range from the maw. If you're playing against placement or push effects, there is counter play in that you can just try to keep them within 6 so the Telekinesis can't get them out, it's not like this is so common. Or just lose a tentacle and spawn a new one in your next turn, since it's not a return to play effect.
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joedj
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Post by joedj on Mar 16, 2018 16:11:30 GMT
I just find it mildly off putting that a tentacle that is embedded in ground can be 'dragged' by a Swamp Troll, Reaper, pushed by Battlemages, ATGM, etc into non-existence, bypassing 'Impervious'-ness. (Battle College notes >20 distinct abilities that generate Push, not including spells)
Especially when other faction rules such as Telgesh Mark exist on two Warcasters (re: Tentacles as far flung arc nodes for what 2 warlock's?) or recursive abilities of any kind can bring back models into a unit regardless of the proximity of that model's destruction (re: sacrificial running out of CMD range to block charge lane(s) ).
Removing two reasonable uses for a tentacle does not engender fun, nor faith in purchasing (Hellmouth v3.0, would one buy them now?...). ps I'm only a part time Legion player, my severely arc node deficient Trollbloods are chortling over this ruling.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Mar 16, 2018 16:18:17 GMT
seeing as how 1 of the main uses for the Hellmouth I've always had is blocking charge lanes out of control. I definitely would not buy or recommend the current hellmouth. Too bad i already have 2....
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Post by elladan52 on Mar 16, 2018 17:30:15 GMT
seeing as how 1 of the main uses for the Hellmouth I've always had is blocking charge lanes out of control. I definitely would not buy or recommend the current hellmouth. Too bad i already have 2.... That's absurd. It's still an extremely strong piece, it's just no longer able to do something that isn't even critical to its core identity. It's an absolutely fine piece that is superb at contesting zones and forces your opponent to jump through hoops to avoid losing heavies for nothing. To say that because you can no longer run tentacles out of formation and therefore you would no longer recommend it is absolutely ridiculous. I get it, you are down on Legion. But come on man. This is the kind of hyperbolic complaining that gets you dismissed by others.
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gordo
Junior Strategist
My star is green?
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Post by gordo on Mar 16, 2018 18:24:39 GMT
seeing as how 1 of the main uses for the Hellmouth I've always had is blocking charge lanes out of control. I definitely would not buy or recommend the current hellmouth. Too bad i already have 2.... The ONLY reason I wouldn't play Hellmouths is because y theme doesn't allow it. Now, I do think that Legion themes are overly restrictive in this regard, and up until recently the only playable theme didn't allow them. So I was bitter in having owned them because I felt I couldn't play them. But... It's not only one of the strongest and most faction defining pieces in Legion, it's also one of the most fun. This "nerf" is justified and trivial in my opinion. It doesn't affect a single list I play or would ever play.
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Mar 16, 2018 18:36:20 GMT
CID changes seem really good- I hope to see our Legion player(s) get more excited about playing now that some of their favorite stuff has improved or been made cheaper. They are good, but we're Legion. People in our faction will find a way to be unhappy.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Mar 16, 2018 19:41:48 GMT
seeing as how 1 of the main uses for the Hellmouth I've always had is blocking charge lanes out of control. I definitely would not buy or recommend the current hellmouth. Too bad i already have 2.... That's absurd. It's still an extremely strong piece, it's just no longer able to do something that isn't even critical to its core identity. It's an absolutely fine piece that is superb at contesting zones and forces your opponent to jump through hoops to avoid losing heavies for nothing. To say that because you can no longer run tentacles out of formation and therefore you would no longer recommend it is absolutely ridiculous. I get it, you are down on Legion. But come on man. This is the kind of hyperbolic complaining that gets you dismissed by others. That's an impressive leap of logic... Also, way to assert your opinion or the community's opinion is the only right one and any dissenting thought is "how you get dismessed". :thumbsup: So since everyone has to freak out over any comment ever make. I, not you or him or her or anyone else, would not recommend buying a model that has gone through 2 very distinct nerf passes. People were afraid of this from the start. Now, that is part ONE. I'm allowed to have more than one reason/opinion/experience and it seems I must always explain every thought I've ever typed out. The hellmouth is only allowed in one, community proclaimed, decent theme. (No one likes Ravens) I would not recommend anyone buy a model that is not going to be played, universally, IF they have other ideas in mind that would be more generalistic. Can you please jump OFF of my case now? Thank you
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Mar 16, 2018 19:46:06 GMT
seeing as how 1 of the main uses for the Hellmouth I've always had is blocking charge lanes out of control. I definitely would not buy or recommend the current hellmouth. Too bad i already have 2.... The ONLY reason I wouldn't play Hellmouths is because y theme doesn't allow it. Now, I do think that Legion themes are overly restrictive in this regard, and up until recently the only playable theme didn't allow them. So I was bitter in having owned them because I felt I couldn't play them. But... It's not only one of the strongest and most faction defining pieces in Legion, it's also one of the most fun. This "nerf" is justified and trivial in my opinion. It doesn't affect a single list I play or would ever play. Yes the nerf was justified and makes sense. I have no qualms there. I've only got 1 list, among all the saved ones, that uses a hellmouth. That 1 list is also out of theme. So even this nerf is not going to affect me. I would not go so far as to call it "faction defining" either. If it was it would be in all the themes, like the choir. But that's a nit pick. [ I find] It is stronger the less experience the opponent has against and considerably drops off after a reasonable adjustment period.
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Post by elladan52 on Mar 16, 2018 22:22:02 GMT
That's absurd. It's still an extremely strong piece, it's just no longer able to do something that isn't even critical to its core identity. It's an absolutely fine piece that is superb at contesting zones and forces your opponent to jump through hoops to avoid losing heavies for nothing. To say that because you can no longer run tentacles out of formation and therefore you would no longer recommend it is absolutely ridiculous. I get it, you are down on Legion. But come on man. This is the kind of hyperbolic complaining that gets you dismissed by others. That's an impressive leap of logic... Also, way to assert your opinion or the community's opinion is the only right one and any dissenting thought is "how you get dismessed". :thumbsup: So since everyone has to freak out over any comment ever make. I, not you or him or her or anyone else, would not recommend buying a model that has gone through 2 very distinct nerf passes. People were afraid of this from the start. Now, that is part ONE. I'm allowed to have more than one reason/opinion/experience and it seems I must always explain every thought I've ever typed out. The hellmouth is only allowed in one, community proclaimed, decent theme. (No one likes Ravens) I would not recommend anyone buy a model that is not going to be played, universally, IF they have other ideas in mind that would be more generalistic. Can you please jump OFF of my case now? Thank you I apologize, I was posting too aggressively. That's my bad. Clearly I went too far, and for that I am sorry.
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