bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Mar 12, 2018 5:09:54 GMT
After listening to a pod cast called Dark Guidance, episode 34 if anyone wanted to know, those guys really got me thinking about Issyria in a Shadows theme. After looking at my collection, I came up with a list to share. Now this is just off what I own with minimal investment needed, so keep that in mind; but here it is and hopefully sparks some good discussion. Theme: Shadows of the Retribution 1 / 1 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Issyria, Sibyl of Dawn - WJ: +29 - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4 - Banshee - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18) - Siren - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Siren - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 3) - Chimera - PC: 8 - Chimera - PC: 8 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Narn, Mage Hunter of Ios - PC: 6 Mage Hunter Assassin - PC: 4 Mage Hunter Assassin - PC: 4 Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios - PC: 0 Mage Hunter Strike Force - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16 - Mage Hunter Strike Force Commander - PC: 4 - Soulless Escort - PC: 1 Spears of Scyrah - Leader & 2 Grunts: 9 I had assassination and warjack destruction in mind on this build because my other list is for control. I would setup with Banshee as an anchor point for the BG and have the Spears provide protection for Issyria. Then using Chimeras to throw blinding lights on the blast guns to help get MHSF up the board. I would keep Assassins, Narn, and Eiryss in the flanks to threaten from the sides. Enemy Heavies would be cut down between the MHSF and Sirens, with their blessed weapons, plus the Banshee k/d gun. Which can be fired twice with Issyria's ancillary attack. Thoughts? Strategy recommendations? Comments? Like I said previously, I hope this starts some constructive discussion.
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Post by CaptCommy on Mar 12, 2018 17:09:07 GMT
I think you're on the right track with a number of the tools included here (and I strongly encourage everyone to listen to that episode of Dark Guidance if they haven't already). However, there's a few small things I could see tweaked here. First and foremost, I feel like 2 full units of MHSF are much, much more effective than just the one. You somewhat need a critical mass of strike force to threaten a number of targets/lists, especially casters, and one unit feels to vulnerable to getting a few picked off and falling below these thresholds. Also, with almost every theme I try and shoot for a minimum of 2 free solos, though I think Shadows can get to 3 fairly easily, which the second unit would get you to no problem. If you find that you like the general idea of this list, I strongly, strongly recommend picking up the second unit of MHSF. There's also a lot of wiggle room in regards to Issy's BG, where I think the only 'requirement' is having at least 1 but ideally 2 arc nodes, but beyond that you have a lot of options for heavies or a Hyperion. But if we're keeping this close to what you currently have, here's what I'd look at for a potential revision: conflictchamber.com/#c5201b_-0AdU4E1g1gjs3y3y3W3X3X3-3m3o3m3ohPRetribution Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Shadows of the Retribution (Issyria 1) Issyria, Sibyl of Dawn [+29] - Banshee [18] - Chimera [8] - Chimera [8] - Harpy [9] Arcanist Mechanik [2] Arcanist Mechanik [2] Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios [0(7)] Mage Hunter Assassin [4] Mage Hunter Assassin [4] Narn, Mage Hunter of Ios [0(6)] Mage Hunter Strike Force (max) [16] - Mage Hunter Strike Force Commander [4] Mage Hunter Strike Force (max) [16] - Mage Hunter Strike Force Commander [4] Spears of Scyrah [9]
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Post by onijet01 on Mar 12, 2018 18:31:10 GMT
Also take i to acount Issyrias end game. The banshie is a great peice hands down one of my favorites, but i tend to lean towards a Pheonix for the same points. Its a good pinch heavy but serves a difrent porpose.
I forsee the banshie tech to use the momentium cannon on feat turn to knock down the caster and light them up with stryke force.(primary assassination tech)
The list also can do well with 1 to two unit lists.
Recently i played vs a similar list but they ran a unit of infiltrators and strike force to really push the opponent.
Mage hunter assassins are also amazing but remember that with issyrias feat they still need hard 8s vs def 15 casters. And the drop a die can harm their accuracy.
Also infiltrators get two melee each and gang so better into trolls or tough heavy armies..
All and all i like the list blue but posted what i had trouble against as it fits the theme.
Whats the control list you decided on?
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Mar 12, 2018 23:55:31 GMT
The control list pairing is that Rahn list you helped me with Oni. I like infiltrator and MHSF ideas both. Adding in another equals more free stuff. I agree another unit would be better, but I hate the idea of assembling another strike force unit ...I can however proxy my nyss hunters for a few games to make a permanent decision. However, I like the Banshee over the Phoenix because of a few reasons; Firstly, the gun on the Banshee is the same pow, but the effect is better for taking out heavies with Issyria. Basically the idea is to ancillary attack then charge in with the void blade on Banshee activation. Which brings us to my second reason, the Banshee has better p+s on its melee weapons. Lastly, the wailing is more useful than combustion because of its a passive ability.
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Post by onijet01 on Mar 13, 2018 2:06:08 GMT
Fair enough lime i said i use the pheonix as a survivor heavy as it regnens feild boxes each turn. But i have a weakness for arc nodes
But the banshie is also a really good model.
Also hows it working?
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Mar 13, 2018 2:33:43 GMT
Not sure yet. This weekend I'll be putting it to the test. I'll be going up against a Cryx and a Legion player
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Post by onijet01 on Mar 13, 2018 12:53:47 GMT
Best of luck id love to see pictures of the games
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Mar 16, 2018 18:32:45 GMT
As much as they mocked Regretribution, I agree that was one of the best focused podcasts I';ve heard in quite some time. It actually fired me up to maybe play a few rounds and it has been over a year since I touched those models. I love a Phoenix, but I have to agree that Banshees are probably better with Issy. That gun, fired twice, or as you mentioned in a setup role. so very good. You know Mage Assassins like? knocked down targets, Waiting patiently on some battle reports
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on May 1, 2018 4:03:46 GMT
So I finally got in a battle with my Issyria Shadows list. The battle was against Legion bringing Lylyth1 and a double Gargantuan list.
My opponent won the die roll and chose the side he wanted, so I was to go first. The scenario was the barbell one, two circles on outside and rectangle in middle.
I setup with Banshee in middle, with Issy behind it. She was flanked by the Scyrah girls and Wyshnalyyr. The Chimeras and Griffons were each on a flank. The MHSF were central and the MHAs were to the left with Narn and Eiryss1 to the right.
Legion setup up with big dragon on my left, the big crawler on my right. I'm guessing Zuriel central with Lylyth and a Snake.
TURN 1 I just moved everything up and just out of threat range of the big guys. IR on the Banshee and then turn done.
Legion moves up the board and the big dragon kills one of my MHAs, I was barely within range. Poor placement on my part. Then he also takes out a couple MHSF with blast deviation. Lylyth ends up parking herself behind Zuriel. The other big guy positions for what I assume is an upcoming pincer maneuver.
TURN 2 I apparate the chimeras and power up. I measure the distance from my MHSF to Lylyth, 8 of them are within 18 inches. I go for the assassination. Firstly I run up Chimeras then follow with Griffons just behind. The Banshee continues to run up middle. Next I activate Wyshnalyyr and gives Arcane Secrets to Issy. She activates and cast blinding light through Chimera onto Lylyth...I miss. Ya I forget to use Arcane Secrets. Sigh, this turn pains me to recall. So I cast blinding light again and boost to hit, but now I'm sitting on 1. Then I activate the MHSF...yes, I forgot to feat with Issy. They move up and mini feat shooting and leaving Lylyth on 1 box....I am so agrivated with myself. The rest of the turn is trying to recover with positioning
Legion goes and basically just kills Issyria with dragon fire...
Like I said, it's painful to recollect. This was a hard lesson in just keeping your wits and slowing down your mind to make sure you do everything and forget nothing.
The list did go as planned and I wish I could chalk this as a win, but I made some bad mistakes.
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Post by dagowit on May 2, 2018 6:06:57 GMT
Like I said, it's painful to recollect. This was a hard lesson in just keeping your wits and slowing down your mind to make sure you do everything and forget nothing. The list did go as planned and I wish I could chalk this as a win, but I made some bad mistakes. So you almost trivially killed Lylyth (leaving her on 1 box) despite forgetting Arcane Secrets and Feat? It sounds to me like a hard-earned but very valuable lesson - and a verified proof of concept. I was reluctant to play Mage Hunters into Hordes but it seems like you have proven that it is much more viable than I feared.
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Post by squighopper on May 2, 2018 10:10:01 GMT
I would be wary of calling that "verified proof of concept", because even if the Legion player wants do advance to range of the mage hunters, it would only take some terrain and those mage hunters would be in trouble to hit her, blinding light or not.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on May 2, 2018 11:23:47 GMT
I would be wary of calling that "verified proof of concept", because even if the Legion player wants do advance to range of the mage hunters, it would only take some terrain and those mage hunters would be in trouble to hit her, blinding light or not. True, but with commander's phantom barrage they gain LOS even if she is in clouds, forests or behind a model. And had I remembered to feat, they also would have gained true sight. So the only way for her to hide would have been behind an obstruction. I do however agree that it is not quite proven...yet. Not until I have more table time for further data, but my hopes are high and the concept did feel good when playing.
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Post by krunstal on Jun 12, 2018 21:35:26 GMT
After listening to a pod cast called Dark Guidance, episode 34 if anyone wanted to know, those guys really got me thinking about Issyria in a Shadows theme. I spent some time looking for this podcast and I couldn't find it. After a bit of digging I realized it was episode names of the Muse on Minis podcast and not the podcast name itself. I figured I would share that discovery in case anyone else was having difficulty finding it. Thank you again for mentioning the podcast it is a really informative.
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