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Post by breakthrough on Mar 11, 2018 16:11:04 GMT
I asked before in my 4 lesser thread, but I think here is more room for that, and maybe more of you will read it Since he came out I love the fluff and style of Maximus, and I wanna get him in play. So besides Carver what would be a good suggestion for him? Do you think we could tailor a list for him which will stand good besides rask Superfriends and is able to take the bad matchups from Rask? Greetings
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Post by Azahul on Mar 11, 2018 19:58:24 GMT
It's pretty hard to tailor a list for him, he doesn't take many buffs well. He also doesn't really need buffs though. He doesn't see a lot of use outside of Carver because there's a lot of tough competition for solo slots, but he's never a bad choice. I'd probably consider Helga (Dash, Feat, Distraction), Midas (Calamity), and Maelok (armour buff, Feat, Mortality) as the best non-Carver support, though it'll definitely be one of the less good Maelok builds by virtue of not being Posse spam Blindwater. BLOB might not be too bad either.
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Post by custardboy on Mar 12, 2018 8:49:18 GMT
He's just a missile who punches someone in the head, then dies. Or dies on the approach. There isn't much tech to DO with him. He's about the most boring solo imaginable- not bad exactly, just boring.
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Post by macdaddy on Mar 14, 2018 0:20:53 GMT
It's pretty hard to tailor a list for him, he doesn't take many buffs well. He also doesn't really need buffs though. He doesn't see a lot of use outside of Carver because there's a lot of tough competition for solo slots, but he's never a bad choice. I'd probably consider Helga (Dash, Feat, Distraction), Midas (Calamity), and Maelok (armour buff, Feat, Mortality) as the best non-Carver support, though it'll definitely be one of the less good Maelok builds by virtue of not being Posse spam Blindwater. BLOB might not be too bad either. Helga seems like the best option for him. Berserk attacks trigger the slam yes? because that could get hilarious
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Post by Azahul on Mar 14, 2018 0:32:02 GMT
Helga seems like the best option for him. Berserk attacks trigger the slam yes? because that could get hilarious Pretty funny, though Efaarit and Meat Thresher do something similar better. He's fine as he is, but as a no-frills combat solo the only time he gets compelling is when he's with Carver for the Feat.
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Post by macdaddy on Mar 14, 2018 0:34:28 GMT
Helga seems like the best option for him. Berserk attacks trigger the slam yes? because that could get hilarious Pretty funny, though Efaarit and Meat Thresher do something similar better. He's fine as he is, but as a no-frills combat solo the only time he gets compelling is when he's with Carver for the Feat. Whats the effariat tech? Is it just the mount attack?
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Post by Azahul on Mar 14, 2018 0:46:22 GMT
Whats the effariat tech? Is it just the mount attack? Yeah. Charge them in for Impact Attacks. Their Mat isn't even that bad...
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Post by Azahul on Mar 14, 2018 0:46:45 GMT
Just note that, as far as I understand it, they can't actually make a charge attack
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Post by Dirhavel on Mar 14, 2018 10:03:48 GMT
Just note that, as far as I understand it, they can't actually make a charge attack I'm pretty sure they *can* declare a charge with their mount attack, but I believe that means they can only make impact attacks and no actual charge attack. I don't have warroom nearby to verify that right now though.
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Post by custardboy on Mar 14, 2018 10:51:49 GMT
That's how it works, yeah. It's a really dumb interaction.
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Post by gobber on Mar 21, 2018 3:16:34 GMT
Also worth noting that based on the wording of helga feat, those impact attacks are ps15 rather than ps10 which makes them quite threatening if you can get the additional dice from collisions as well
It's mostly good due to the decent threat range and folks' tendency to overlook efaarit as melee threats (though it's at best an ancillary function compared to their primary role in that list as large based slam backstops and secondary role as shooting solos)
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Post by skapunkboy on Mar 21, 2018 8:06:31 GMT
I did used to run maximus with Helga back at the start of MK3 before the thronfall theme dropped and I dropped him for a second unit of brigands (so many free points!)
his best role was also as a distractions because he only really got work done on low DEF models who had clumped to clear brigands
Dash as nice with him but by no means the best fix in the worlds
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Post by breakthrough on Mar 21, 2018 12:39:15 GMT
So when i read it / understand it right, his best option would be putting him back on the shelf right?
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Post by Gaston on Mar 21, 2018 13:20:18 GMT
So when i read it / understand it right, his best option would be putting him back on the shelf right? Hey if Maximus excites you and you want to play him, then take him off the shelf and play him! That is the purpose of the game and no one should tell you otherwise. I would say just make sure it is an informed decision. Understand what support you are not taking in order to bring Maximus. Have a list strategy that has a place for him and incorporates and builds upon his strengths. Understand his weaknesses and limitations. Doing these things help you build to success whether taking uncommon models or not. For example, let's say Maelok is my jam and Maximus is my bro and together they are gonna make sweet brojam. What are the strengths? Maximus is very hard to buff, Maelok however circumvents a lot of this because none of his buffing is targeted. So Maximus will gain +2 to +4 armor, +1" of movement, incorporeal, and +2 hit/+2 damage with Maelok. What are the sacrifices? First and foremost this means I am running Maelok in a WWFF beast brick instead of a Blindwater Posse brick. So my infantry clearing needs will be different because my model selection has changed. Now I am taking Husks, Valkyries and wouldn't you know it? Some pig bro with Berserk. Seems handy. How do I use Maximus, how does he fit into the overall list? A) He clears clumps of infantry so my beasts don't have to. B) He is great at being engaged, but hates being shot at. So my goal is to get him in melee in the best terms possible. Should he run or charge? On Maelok's feat, in melee, he is Arm 22 with 8 boxes and can run 11". Perhaps it is better to keep him into the brick until feat time, then run to lock up say a whole unit of Sentinels? Or Statistics Raiders? He will be difficult to kill and none of those type of models want to take that kind of a free strike. If that is the plan, how does that affect my deployment? Is he fast enough to redeploy across the army if he ends up on the wrong flank for his preferred match up? Some thoughts.
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Post by breakthrough on Mar 21, 2018 21:43:11 GMT
Heyho Gaston, The for da really big input that helps me alot Yes that's my prob normally when I searched through the net I only found Mealok with that posse spam I have to say it clear I was outta WM/Hordes since 3 years and totally out of business May I ask do ya think I could use that list besides a Rask Suerfriends list? Cause I come back and actually I own all lessers, beside Rorsh and have some solos too. I have to buy the rest for the 2 Lists and therefore I search these 2 list so that I have a little buy in ... So when i read it / understand it right, his best option would be putting him back on the shelf right? Hey if Maximus excites you and you want to play him, then take him off the shelf and play him! That is the purpose of the game and no one should tell you otherwise. I would say just make sure it is an informed decision. Understand what support you are not taking in order to bring Maximus. Have a list strategy that has a place for him and incorporates and builds upon his strengths. Understand his weaknesses and limitations. Doing these things help you build to success whether taking uncommon models or not. For example, let's say Maelok is my jam and Maximus is my bro and together they are gonna make sweet brojam. What are the strengths? Maximus is very hard to buff, Maelok however circumvents a lot of this because none of his buffing is targeted. So Maximus will gain +2 to +4 armor, +1" of movement, incorporeal, and +2 hit/+2 damage with Maelok. What are the sacrifices? First and foremost this means I am running Maelok in a WWFF beast brick instead of a Blindwater Posse brick. So my infantry clearing needs will be different because my model selection has changed. Now I am taking Husks, Valkyries and wouldn't you know it? Some pig bro with Berserk. Seems handy. How do I use Maximus, how does he fit into the overall list? A) He clears clumps of infantry so my beasts don't have to. B) He is great at being engaged, but hates being shot at. So my goal is to get him in melee in the best terms possible. Should he run or charge? On Maelok's feat, in melee, he is Arm 22 with 8 boxes and can run 11". Perhaps it is better to keep him into the brick until feat time, then run to lock up say a whole unit of Sentinels? Or Statistics Raiders? He will be difficult to kill and none of those type of models want to take that kind of a free strike. If that is the plan, how does that affect my deployment? Is he fast enough to redeploy across the army if he ends up on the wrong flank for his preferred match up? Some thoughts.
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