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Post by josephkerr on Mar 18, 2018 3:33:01 GMT
Honestly eleaps should never be allowed to bounce from friendlies. Example of similar rule to lightning generator: admonisher. Admonished states when enemy model is not you get 4 bounces. So lightning generator is therefore straight better except. The best of those "non attack" bounce mechanics is on the Throne of Everblight. It bounces off enemy and friendly with a spread of 5" instead of 4". Admonisher is definitely on the low end of those "attacks."
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Post by W0lfBane on Mar 18, 2018 17:40:42 GMT
Honestly eleaps should never be allowed to bounce from friendlies. Example of similar rule to lightning generator: admonisher. Admonished states when enemy model is not you get 4 bounces. So lightning generator is therefore straight better except. The best of those "non attack" bounce mechanics is on the Throne of Everblight. It bounces off enemy and friendly with a spread of 5" instead of 4". Admonisher is definitely on the low end of those "attacks." That's cause eruption of spines used to be a spell you pay focus for and then it just kind of got plugged in as a magic attack. Ashes to ashes and chain lightning also let you bounce from friendlies.
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Post by josephkerr on Mar 18, 2018 18:19:44 GMT
The best of those "non attack" bounce mechanics is on the Throne of Everblight. It bounces off enemy and friendly with a spread of 5" instead of 4". Admonisher is definitely on the low end of those "attacks." That's cause eruption of spines used to be a spell you pay focus for and then it just kind of got plugged in as a magic attack. Ashes to ashes and chain lightning also let you bounce from friendlies. Only picking a nit here: the Throne never had eruption of spines, it has Spine Burst, which were two different spells in mk2. Theyre different spells now too, but ur right it got muddied when eruption of spines went from d6 to d3 bounces but it also lost magic weapons on the bounces. Now the Throne can cast Spine Burst up to 5 times a round, depending on caster. I brought it up to agree with you that admonisher is unusually restrictive even tho, yes, theres a spell version like Ashes to Ashes. The Thrones version is "unique" to it.
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Post by W0lfBane on Mar 18, 2018 19:42:12 GMT
That's cause eruption of spines used to be a spell you pay focus for and then it just kind of got plugged in as a magic attack. Ashes to ashes and chain lightning also let you bounce from friendlies. Only picking a nit here: the Throne never had eruption of spines, it has Spine Burst, which were two different spells in mk2. Theyre different spells now too, but ur right it got muddied when eruption of spines went from d6 to d3 bounces but it also lost magic weapons on the bounces. Now the Throne can cast Spine Burst up to 5 times a round, depending on caster. I brought it up to agree with you that admonisher is unusually restrictive even tho, yes, theres a spell version like Ashes to Ashes. The Thrones version is "unique" to it. I did not realize they are unique I thought they were the same.
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blakeh1
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Post by blakeh1 on Mar 28, 2018 22:40:09 GMT
So as of today, they are reverting back all of the immunities changes
Not sure what that means for the future possibility of changes
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Post by Choco on Mar 28, 2018 23:32:36 GMT
So as of today, they are reverting back all of the immunities changes Not sure what that means for the future possibility of changes They stated that they are no longer having us test them. It's no longer part of the CID. They said they have plenty of feedback on it and will use all of that to make their decisions.
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Post by Hashmal on Mar 29, 2018 0:34:58 GMT
Yup. That's why I don't get too invested in anything while it's in CID. They may not implement this change at all, or they might. Until then, immunities are as they are and that's what I focus on.
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Post by greytemplar on Mar 29, 2018 17:00:41 GMT
So as of today, they are reverting back all of the immunities changes Not sure what that means for the future possibility of changes Hopefully it means they’re gonna rethink the whole thing from the ground up.
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Post by spideredd on Mar 29, 2018 17:03:32 GMT
So as of today, they are reverting back all of the immunities changes Not sure what that means for the future possibility of changes Hopefully it means they’re gonna rethink the whole thing from the ground up. Personally, I'd be happy if they just gave this its own CID I think it's extensive enough a change to warrant it.
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blakeh1
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Post by blakeh1 on Mar 29, 2018 23:24:27 GMT
They seemed way too casual with the change
Although I kind of hope they tackle this before the Menoth CID. The last thing we need is to go through CID and then a month later have immunities change how a good deal of our stuff works again
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Post by paradox on Mar 30, 2018 2:44:12 GMT
They seemed way too casual with the change Although I kind of hope they tackle this before the Menoth CID. The last thing we need is to go through CID and then a month later have immunities change how a good deal of our stuff works again Well, Exemplars, so not lots of fire.
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Post by Provengreil on Mar 30, 2018 3:37:48 GMT
They seemed way too casual with the change Although I kind of hope they tackle this before the Menoth CID. The last thing we need is to go through CID and then a month later have immunities change how a good deal of our stuff works again Well, Exemplars, so not lots of fire. This. It's Cinerators, for whom the fire thing is ancillary at the best of times, and........literally nothing else. These guys are, in fact, going to be our best shot by far into CG I think.
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Post by Hashmal on Mar 31, 2018 17:37:40 GMT
Just checked paradox's responses on the CID forums. Barring any data received during this CID cycle, Immunities will not be changing at all. I vehemently disagree with this approach.
Now, where do I go to set up some Vassal test games with a CG player? I have a little free time this week to test my Protectorate lists into them. Particularly my gunlines, which I typically play into other gunlines.
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Post by paradox on Mar 31, 2018 18:30:54 GMT
Just checked paradox's responses on the CID forums. Barring any data received during this CID cycle, Immunities will not be changing at all. I vehemently disagree with this approach. Now, where do I go to set up some Vassal test games with a CG player? I have a little free time this week to test my Protectorate lists into them. Particularly my gunlines, which I typically play into other gunlines. Yup. Sadly it will be very hard for me to get CG games in.
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Post by Provengreil on Mar 31, 2018 23:01:46 GMT
Same here...this would have massively colored the feedback I was able to give. This matchup is going to require very specific lists from Menoth, without even requiring a specific caster. How sad is it that the fire faction will have to explicitly dodge the fire symbol in list creation?
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