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Post by jisidro on Mar 5, 2018 12:52:14 GMT
... I guess Una2 Devourers Host might work tho. Wait, what? What is the game plan?
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Post by musza on Mar 5, 2018 14:00:13 GMT
... I guess Una2 Devourers Host might work tho. Wait, what? What is the game plan? Stalkers are not as effective trading for a Ravager or two and if they go for them they trigger Vengeance. Shaman can soften Stalkers with a chain lightning and he allows you to have a Primal AND magic weapons on a Griffons at the same time (which Call of the Wild version doesn't and a Mist Speaker doesn't fit there well) so you can go for a Wraith Engine effectively. He, as the shaman, is a very important piece in this matchup and 2 of them is an auto include to me in this list. Late game Ravager leftovers can Mini Feat on the Banes and overtake as long as he won't tough (and it would be a good idea to kill the standard bearer first). It won't be an easy game but it doesn't feel such one-sided anymore to me.
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Post by jisidro on Mar 5, 2018 14:23:37 GMT
So you leverage the ravagers against the stalkers and use magic weapons to threaten the WE... Gotta try that.
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Post by musza on Mar 5, 2018 21:59:42 GMT
So you leverage the ravagers against the stalkers and use magic weapons to threaten the WE... Gotta try that. yeah, when CotW Una2 has to take the alpha she relies on Griffon that will dodge away... but it's not the case when there's a Dark Guidence. Ravagers trade well because a single one is cheaper than the Stalker and by sacrificing a pawn you get a Vengeance.
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Post by babadook on Mar 6, 2018 6:10:23 GMT
Baldur2 with the Wrath works as well, but you have to make use of the Wall to prevent too many Stalkers attacking the big guy.
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Post by macdaddy on Mar 6, 2018 15:07:13 GMT
Baldur2 with the Wrath works as well, but you have to make use of the Wall to prevent too many Stalkers attacking the big guy. Wall is really hard to protect with thanks to high speed and jump. It can work but with 5 of the bastards it’s going to be a struggle
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Post by musza on Mar 6, 2018 15:17:20 GMT
If I was Skarre1 player and I see a monkey protected with a wall and minis around it to negate landing spots, I would simply kill everything around and watch him loosing scenario. Baldur2 might work here on a Standoff scenario tho. Wurmwood in both DH and Wild Hunt might be the perfect answer, especially his FEAT negates tough.
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Post by babadook on Mar 7, 2018 8:23:20 GMT
Baldur2 with the Wrath works as well, but you have to make use of the Wall to prevent too many Stalkers attacking the big guy. Wall is really hard to protect with thanks to high speed and jump. It can work but with 5 of the bastards it’s going to be a struggle That's true, it is way easier if the LOS blocking terrain is an impassable terrain too. However, if the Stalkers are forced to jump you, you can tank 2 Stalkers (and you should be able to prevent 3 Stalkers with full Focus to get to him with wall and other minis) quite easy despite feat & Dark Shroud and usually, if you survived the feat the game is over as Skarre will no longer be able to kill the Wrath and you can easily heal him up a bunch with the Shapers. The good thing about B2 with Wrath is, that he also answers Ghostfleet and other lists pretty damn well.
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Post by musza on Mar 7, 2018 9:45:49 GMT
WM Banes can easily kill damaged Wrath
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Post by babadook on Mar 7, 2018 12:32:08 GMT
I don't see too many weaponmaster reaching the Wrath with 2 Sentry Stones, 2 Woldwyrds and Crevasse being available. In addition, I think, the usually lists are the double Cav lists, that do not have those as all. I do not think that B2 will crush this Skarre list, but I think it has a decent game into it and will also do very well into Ghostfleet and other kind of Cryx lists.
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Post by musza on Mar 7, 2018 13:13:00 GMT
I don't see too many weaponmaster reaching the Wrath with 2 Sentry Stones, 2 Woldwyrds and Crevasse being available. In addition, I think, the usually lists are the double Cav lists, that do not have those as all. I do not think that B2 will crush this Skarre list, but I think it has a decent game into it and will also do very well into Ghostfleet and other kind of Cryx lists. Agree, Baldur2 was always generally good into Cryx. Having Sacred Ward and RFP just makes him well equipped for most lists. As a general rule I think people tend to back off from Cav in Skarre1 lists, at least here in Poland. I wonder how B2 would do into all the Slayers list. Shooting is not really effective but they should have hard time killing monkey with 1" reach pow16 jacks w/o a dark shroud. Any experience guys?
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Post by maplewhisky on Mar 7, 2018 13:40:48 GMT
I don't see too many weaponmaster reaching the Wrath with 2 Sentry Stones, 2 Woldwyrds and Crevasse being available. In addition, I think, the usually lists are the double Cav lists, that do not have those as all. I do not think that B2 will crush this Skarre list, but I think it has a decent game into it and will also do very well into Ghostfleet and other kind of Cryx lists. Agree, Baldur2 was always generally good into Cryx. Having Sacred Ward and RFP just makes him well equipped for most lists. As a general rule I think people tend to back off from Cav in Skarre1 lists, at least here in Poland. I wonder how B2 would do into all the Slayers list. Shooting is not really effective but they should have hard time killing monkey with 1" reach pow16 jacks w/o a dark shroud. Any experience guys? I think because slayers can just combo it down it’ll be hard. Obviously lich wants to kill things he can calamity but 6~ combos on the wrath will kill it, so its definitely not immortal. I think considering the disparity in speed and the fact slayers can kill hard targets when theres a bunch of them makes this difficult. That is to say, because its all fast and all hits relatively hard our wall only lets us save one thing. Could be wrong, haven’t played it. Report back!
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Post by musza on Mar 7, 2018 13:59:41 GMT
Agree, Baldur2 was always generally good into Cryx. Having Sacred Ward and RFP just makes him well equipped for most lists. As a general rule I think people tend to back off from Cav in Skarre1 lists, at least here in Poland. I wonder how B2 would do into all the Slayers list. Shooting is not really effective but they should have hard time killing monkey with 1" reach pow16 jacks w/o a dark shroud. Any experience guys? I think because slayers can just combo it down it’ll be hard. Obviously lich wants to kill things he can calamity but 6~ combos on the wrath will kill it, so its definitely not immortal. I think considering the disparity in speed and the fact slayers can kill hard targets when theres a bunch of them makes this difficult. That is to say, because its all fast and all hits relatively hard our wall only lets us save one thing. Could be wrong, haven’t played it. Report back! How are you going to do 6 combo with 50mm Slayers with 1" reach on a 120mm Wrath with 4" Rock Wall placed 0.26" (wall is 0.75") from his base?
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Post by maplewhisky on Mar 7, 2018 14:57:35 GMT
I think because slayers can just combo it down it’ll be hard. Obviously lich wants to kill things he can calamity but 6~ combos on the wrath will kill it, so its definitely not immortal. I think considering the disparity in speed and the fact slayers can kill hard targets when theres a bunch of them makes this difficult. That is to say, because its all fast and all hits relatively hard our wall only lets us save one thing. Could be wrong, haven’t played it. Report back! How are you going to do 6 combo with 50mm Slayers with 1" reach on a 120mm Wrath with 4" Rock Wall placed 0.26" (wall is 0.75") from his base? Over 2-3 turns. Its not like Baldur just takes slayers off the table. And if theres a wall on the wrath kiss megs goodbye. :X
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Post by babadook on Mar 9, 2018 7:35:27 GMT
I do not think you have a chance to kill the Woldwrathover 2-3 turns. Stoneshapers, Shifting Stones, Themebonus and B2 will heal up faster than you can damage him if you do not get enough Slayers at him, which will be close to impossible because of the Wall and (in case of shooting being without effect) Woldwyrds blocking landing spots. However, I feel that the Slayer list might be able to ignore the Wrath and win on Scenario, which in my opinion is the safest bet to beat the list. musza In Germany, nobody plays the infantry. That's the differences of the meta. In general, I feel that B2 is currently the best caster to play into Cryx as he is either dominating or at the very least decent. As he can also take all Cygnar and has a good game into Rasheth with 2 Derpturtles (actually tortoises) I think he is currently a very strong competitor for a spot in a pairing.
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