walden
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Post by walden on Feb 24, 2018 16:58:05 GMT
I'm working on building a tournament pairing for a couple upcoming tournaments. But I can't decide on who or what I should bring. I have run Rask quite a bit, but I am leaning towards moving him from my pairing in favor of BloB. For the second list I'm considering Calaban double vault, or Maelock Posse spam, or Jaga-Jaga Croak. We just have so many options now that I am having trouble settling on a couple lists.
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boozy
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Post by boozy on Feb 24, 2018 17:06:42 GMT
I personally love Rask Super Friends, and make that the foundation of a pairing. You are correct though that Minions has many strong options now, and pigs shouldn't be excluded from the calculus.
Jay-Jaga would be my second pick, because a high volume of attacks from Croaks really shines under Signs+Portents. Of course, what you see in your meta should dictate your choices as always.
What do you anticipate needing to drop into?
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Post by zwergenkrieger on Feb 24, 2018 20:55:47 GMT
Depending what kind of Rask you're running you could just change it. Instead of Rask Super Friends you could run Rask Posse Spam and vice versa. I'm actually running Rask Posse Spam and I have a hard time not to use it as my main list.
I think I'd run one list that can handle a lot and that I know very well and a real Dark Horse as a second list. Something like beast heavy Carver or Arkadius or even Calaban.
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Post by Azahul on Feb 24, 2018 21:50:15 GMT
Gosh I wish I could still dark horse with Arkadius As others have said, I would start with the list you're most interested in playing, and then build a pair that covers the poor match-ups of the first list.
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walden
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Post by walden on Feb 25, 2018 18:15:14 GMT
I personally love Rask Super Friends, and make that the foundation of a pairing. You are correct though that Minions has many strong options now, and pigs shouldn't be excluded from the calculus. Jay-Jaga would be my second pick, because a high volume of attacks from Croaks really shines under Signs+Portents. Of course, what you see in your meta should dictate your choices as always. What do you anticipate needing to drop into? Depending how I place in my first round, quite a bit of Grymkin, Cryx, Menoth, and Cygnar. I think I have settled on Rask WWFF as my primary pairing right now (Wrastler, Horror, Meat thresher, Rorsch, Dahlia, Brun) and leaning towards Maelock posse spam. But I think a Caliban Dracodile, double vault list could fare well into dark host and other WM spam.
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Post by albertairish on Feb 26, 2018 18:44:22 GMT
I'm still tinkering trying to find a great fit with Rask Super Friends.
If I could I'd still pair Rask in WWfF with Rask in Blindwater.
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Post by flogger on Feb 27, 2018 9:42:37 GMT
I'm still tinkering trying to find a great fit with Rask Super Friends. If I could I'd still pair Rask in WWfF with Rask in Blindwater. Maelok is probably the ultimate paring for that. 3x max posse and 1x max croaks. Sprinkle the rest. IMHO that is.
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Post by albertairish on Feb 27, 2018 13:28:02 GMT
I'm still tinkering trying to find a great fit with Rask Super Friends. If I could I'd still pair Rask in WWfF with Rask in Blindwater. Maelok is probably the ultimate paring for that. 3x max posse and 1x max croaks. Sprinkle the rest. IMHO that is. It's a good pair. I'd still take Rask in Blindwater over Maelok if it was an option.
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flogger
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Post by flogger on Feb 27, 2018 15:17:25 GMT
Personally I don't find Rask even close to as powerful as Maelok, but I suppose that's just playing style
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boozy
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Post by boozy on Feb 27, 2018 16:04:25 GMT
While not directly related to pairing strength, it's important to consider the high buy-in for Maelok triple gators. I can't think of any other place I'd run that many right now, and even double gators seems unlikely in other Blindwater options.
Finding options that cover holes and either use similar components as Rask or more popular options in general is something I'd look for two. Meta considerations are also worth factoring. Maelok triple gators is strong, but if you expect to see a lot of infantry hate/RFP in your event, it becomes less-appealing.
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walden
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Post by walden on Feb 27, 2018 19:59:33 GMT
While not directly related to pairing strength, it's important to consider the high buy-in for Maelok triple gators. I can't think of any other place I'd run that many right now, and even double gators seems unlikely in other Blindwater options. Finding options that cover holes and either use similar components as Rask or more popular options in general is something I'd look for two. Meta considerations are also worth factoring. Maelok triple gators is strong, but if you expect to see a lot of infantry hate/RFP in your event, it becomes less-appealing. I have 4 units right now. So I'm not worried about price. Just don't have them all painted yet. Infantry RFP is something I'm worried about. There's plenty of Grymkin, Skorne, Cryx and Trolls.
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Post by boozy on Feb 27, 2018 20:12:45 GMT
Yeah, all of those have either popular lists with RFP or the same comes stock. I'd avoid Maelok for sure under that circumstance.
Jaga-Jaga then? With S+P, I like her with many attacks, particularly Croaks. Blindwater Gators could be good too though, and both in some ratio is an option, I suppose. If your Rask is as light on units as mine is, then having an off list to cover scenarios that require unit scoring would be good.
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walden
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Post by walden on Feb 27, 2018 22:16:29 GMT
Yeah, all of those have either popular lists with RFP or the same comes stock. I'd avoid Maelok for sure under that circumstance. Jaga-Jaga then? With S+P, I like her with many attacks, particularly Croaks. Blindwater Gators could be good too though, and both in some ratio is an option, I suppose. If your Rask is as light on units as mine is, then having an off list to cover scenarios that require unit scoring would be good. I did consider Jaga-Jaga double croaks. But I'm leaning towards this list right now. I think it handles dude spam fine, which is the Rask weak point. But it also could play into mass medium base infantry as well. Either this, Maelock, or Jaga-Jaga I guess. I will see dark host, ghost fleet, lots of Grymkin in all flavours, exemplar theme force, nemo 3, Haley 3. As well as Skorne masters of war, and band of heroes. War Room Army Minions - vault Theme: Will Work For Food 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Sturm & Drang - WB: +28 - Gatorman Soul Slave - PC: 0 - War Hog - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15) - War Hog - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - War Hog - PC: 15 - Battle Boar - PC: 7 - Razor Boar - PC: 7 - Razor Boar Sacral Vault - PC: 17 Sacral Vault - PC: 17 Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress - PC: 0 Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew - Leader & 1 Grunt: 2 THEME: Will Work For Food --- GENERATED : 02/27/2018 14:13:50 BUILD ID : 2061.18-02-21
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Post by Hjard on Feb 28, 2018 7:13:06 GMT
Maelok doesn't mind RFP that much. Between casting Death Pact and Mortality he's fury starved anyway. So unless you run into some mega dude spams where you get a ton of souls every turn he won't be reviving that much anyway.
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Post by zwergenkrieger on Feb 28, 2018 9:40:11 GMT
Jaga-Jaga then? With S+P, I like her with many attacks, particularly Croaks. Blindwater Gators could be good too though, and both in some ratio is an option, I suppose. Was thinking about jaga Jaga, 2x max Croaks, 3x min Gators the other day due to the fact that I do not own a battle engine right now. I have to try it. Personally I don't find Rask even close to as powerful as Maelok, but I suppose that's just playing style Would you like to explain? And is that statement related to Posse Spam only or do you even think that Maelok Posse Spam is more powerful than Rask Super Friends?
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