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Post by jpgreat1 on Feb 18, 2018 18:29:06 GMT
What is absurd is that GW's toys are now cheaper than PP's. That's a real issue. -und_ed This is completely false. PP is still cheaper then GW. I wanted to build a plasma style ultra marine list, costed me near 700 bucks when it was done. The 4 lists I play competitively in cygnar is alittle over 700. The 3 lists I been building for trollbloods is near 300.
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Post by Cyel on Feb 18, 2018 20:01:10 GMT
If the cost of the entire list determines which models are cheap and which are expensive, certainly the cheapest model ever would come from a system which requires only a single model to play Even if it was a single gobber-sized figure costing 200$, the cost of the playable "army" is what counts, no ?
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Post by gobber on Feb 18, 2018 21:06:40 GMT
So from what I can tell here, GW knew they were donating to a childrens' hospital, not just giving the guy money. They weren't piling on to a pity party, but rather his spontaneous charity drive. I'm all for a good GW bashing, but how the hell is that objectionable?
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Post by unded on Feb 18, 2018 21:10:22 GMT
Yep, you gotta look at the cost of models, and PP does not come out well.
Simple comparison, Bane Riders vs Chaos knights (very similar models, and I'm really tempted to buy a box and trade out the heads for bane riders).
GW Chaos knights are 35 GBP (49 USD according to google) for 10 models that are better quality than the PP Bane riders who are $55 on DGI for 5 models. Simply put, PP models are coming out more than twice as expensive as GW.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Feb 18, 2018 21:15:24 GMT
The Trencher Blockhouse is retailing for 48 GBP at the moment in the UK, and it's bloody tiny!
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Post by mcdermott on Feb 18, 2018 21:31:40 GMT
Chaos Knights are 60 dollars american from the gw webstore + shipping
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Post by unded on Feb 18, 2018 22:57:20 GMT
Chaos Knights are 60 dollars american from the gw webstore + shipping I looked on the UK site - since I'm buying from South Africa, I compared what it would cost me. -und_ed
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Post by comasinkhole on Feb 18, 2018 22:59:37 GMT
It's $115 plus shipping for Chaos knights in NZ or I can get the bane riders for roughly $75 plus shipping. So I'd say it varies wildly depending on country.
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Post by mcdermott on Feb 18, 2018 23:01:33 GMT
Then you have to consider ...exactly how much of my army is 1 unit of chaos knights vs 1 unit of bane riders.
I'm completely unaware of the standard sizes of AoS armies but back in 8th ed a unit of PP cav was WAY more of a % of a tournament force than 10 chaos knights were.
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Post by jpgreat1 on Feb 19, 2018 4:09:44 GMT
So from what I can tell here, GW knew they were donating to a childrens' hospital, not just giving the guy money. They weren't piling on to a pity party, but rather his spontaneous charity drive. I'm all for a good GW bashing, but how the hell is that objectionable? If this guy was well-known to host charity drives then it just reinforces that Alex guy is a good dude. If his plan from the beginning was to take whatever winnings or special things he gets from winning LVO and donating it again reinforces the same thing. Keep in mind, you are basing it on the information here and while I could have skipped over that in the video or maybe in the other public post GW made that the other guy linked its simply because I honestly didn't notice it. Its true that negative news often outweighs the positive to only give one perception and not the whole picture. However, even then GW going, "yeah we know how shitty our rules are so we will donate to him anyways" is a really bad move as I explained earlier regardless. If they said "Hey, we know what our rules state but after watching LVO we decided to address some concerns and to showcase that we value sportsmanship over WAAC, we will donate to Alex's charity" would have set an entirely different precedence.
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Post by gobber on Feb 19, 2018 4:46:17 GMT
So from what I can tell here, GW knew they were donating to a childrens' hospital, not just giving the guy money. They weren't piling on to a pity party, but rather his spontaneous charity drive. I'm all for a good GW bashing, but how the hell is that objectionable? However, even then GW going, "yeah we know how shitty our rules are so we will donate to him anyways" is a really bad move as I explained earlier regardless. If they said "Hey, we know what our rules state but after watching LVO we decided to address some concerns and to showcase that we value sportsmanship over WAAC, we will donate to Alex's charity" would have set an entirely different precedence. There's no need for the dude to be famously charitable for it to be worthwhile; joining a donation drive to a Children's Hospital says nothing beyond GW wanting to support sick kids (and surely wanting some of the good PR that goes along with that). But no good deed goes unpunished by internet rage
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Post by jpgreat1 on Feb 19, 2018 4:47:08 GMT
Chaos Knights are 60 dollars american from the gw webstore + shipping I looked on the UK site - since I'm buying from South Africa, I compared what it would cost me. -und_ed Lets talk about whole lists here. One of the bloggers of 40k Commander Gamza talks about starting out an Ultra marine army I think this video was 1000 to 1500 (I believe most tournaments are played with 2000 points so this isn't even a full list) www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfzM1aqobG0 He has the price total in the background and its 420. My Nemo3 list: Nemo, 2 Striders, Dyanmo, Fireflies x3, Lancer, Jr, Lady A & Master H with Jonas, and Arlan - 376 bucks My Grissel2 2/2/2 list: Grissel2, Runebearer, 2 full champ units, 2 bears, 2 fire eaters, bomber, pyre, fell caller, stones max unit w/northkin elder - 417 This is based off of the main website of each of its respective games. This isn't taking into account possible deals you can get online or through brick and mortar stores. Just a base price. 2 Complete armies of 2 different factions still cheaper then a partial army or smaller point game for 40k. Can we stop saying PP is more expensive then GW now?
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Post by unded on Feb 19, 2018 8:33:04 GMT
Sorry JP, that just doesn't hold. Not when I can use the same models interchangeably in systems, you really have to look at the value offering of the actual toys, and on those ground PP is ludicrously expensive by comparison.
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Post by Hjard on Feb 19, 2018 9:33:04 GMT
Lets talk about whole lists here. One of the bloggers of 40k Commander Gamza talks about starting out an Ultra marine army I think this video was 1000 to 1500 (I believe most tournaments are played with 2000 points so this isn't even a full list) www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfzM1aqobG0 He has the price total in the background and its 420. My Nemo3 list: Nemo, 2 Striders, Dyanmo, Fireflies x3, Lancer, Jr, Lady A & Master H with Jonas, and Arlan - 376 bucks My Grissel2 2/2/2 list: Grissel2, Runebearer, 2 full champ units, 2 bears, 2 fire eaters, bomber, pyre, fell caller, stones max unit w/northkin elder - 417 This is based off of the main website of each of its respective games. This isn't taking into account possible deals you can get online or through brick and mortar stores. Just a base price. 2 Complete armies of 2 different factions still cheaper then a partial army or smaller point game for 40k. Can we stop saying PP is more expensive then GW now? Some addition to that: The smurf army might be short 1/4th of it's points, but it's everything you need for a tournament. The WM/H lists are complete, but you need a second list for tournaments. One could argue "but you can also start with a single list" yes you can, you can also turn up with only 1500pts to a 2000pts tournament. Both of these ideas are stupid, so let's forget that and consider what intelligent people would do. So with a second WM/H list (build intelligently so you have some crossover) and the missing parts of the 40k army, they are basically the same.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Feb 19, 2018 10:13:50 GMT
Only as long as PP is also in control of the art, can't stand GW over-detailed skulls-everywhere style. Right there with you, Hubert. I don't care how detailed the 23 skulls are on my infantryman, they shouldn't be there in the first place. What is absurd is that GW's toys are now cheaper than PP's. That's a real issue. -und_ed You Triggered Bruh?
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