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Post by slinkdawg on Jan 29, 2018 20:16:37 GMT
When you design a list pair and select lists at a tournament, do you have a specific list that you usually drop into the current scenario that round?
Or is it mostly based on the opponent’s list and the best answer to that player’s lists?
Specifically, I played the Testament of Menoth Exemplar Interdiction paired with Amon Creator’s Might (dervishes and crusaders).
In SR 2017, sometimes the scenario won’t let me realistically drop Amon. Should a list pair be designed so both lists can play into all scenarios reasonably? For example, I might cut some jacks from the Amon list and put Idrians w UA in.
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draycos
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Post by draycos on Jan 30, 2018 16:13:32 GMT
Even if you cannot score on scenario, you can still contest it. And if your Amon list will handily deal with what you expect them to drop... play Amon (and vice versa...for Testament)
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Jan 30, 2018 16:47:13 GMT
Play the list that you feel is most likely to win by attrition against your opponent, then figure out if scenario or assassination is a better play. Keep in mind that player skill is a much bigger factor than the list itself. Make sure you're comfortable with the caster and list, as well.
There isn't a single scenario that you can't get 1 point a turn or per round with a proper grind, so any list is practically as viable as any other on a general scenario sense. I like to build a list that is specifically designed for scenario, due to speed and amount of chaff to chew through and then a second list that I feel compliments it well.
For that reason, my pairing is Thyra, who is my scenario pusher with models that are hard to remove en mass, and Reznik1, who brings heavy armor, high power, and long range shooting. Even outside of ADR, those are two casters that I am very comfortable with playing, so I would probably throw them down regardless.
Your pairing of Testament and mass weapon master spam looks like it compliments Amon and mass armor (and even speed).
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Post by slinkdawg on Jan 30, 2018 18:44:28 GMT
Great responses.
I think my issues are probably mostly player skill. I do not have enough practice with the Amon list and could use more practice with both.
I am a long time cygnar player that came back to Protectorate in late 2017. I was pretty comfortable in cygnar, but found myself frustrated that I would always lose too many pieces to stay in a long scenario grind in SR2017.
When I discovered the Amon/Testament pairing and tried out the popular tournament lists, I was a little unsure how 2 different flavors of grindy attrition lists would work as a pair.
So I wondered if the lists I am using were designed to specialize on specific scenarios. But I guess that’s a good point that you can play either list at a high level and generally avoid giving up too much on scenario by contesting well.
And when selecting lists, like usual, it’s all about the best answer for the matchups. But it sounds like some of those scenario issues are a factor to think about.
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Jan 30, 2018 19:06:44 GMT
Well, practice away! Protectorates greatest strength is that it does the same things as other factions but in a very different way from those factions and in a way only they can. Both Testament and Amon in their chosen themes are really flexible with the unit load outs that you can include and still do well, both casters are fairly forgiving in that regard. Testament has an arguably higher learning curve and possibly the highest learning curve possible from a really attrition caster because of how flexible Revive is. With Testament, don't forget that his feat is fantastic when the lines meet, you can send models into the opponents support or guarantee back strikes by walking through enemies. He can be built for assassination by adding Vengers. So I wondered if the lists I am using were designed to specialize on specific scenarios. But I guess that’s a good point that you can play either list at a high level and generally avoid giving up too much on scenario by contesting well. If you're ahead enough on attrition or could handle losing choir buffs on some jacks, you could also run the choir to score infantry zones. Usually with Synergy up, you only need the choir on some jacks, Crusaders under full Synergy don't really gain more than excess killy power by adding Choir. Your most important element in any game is always your caster. Always look for a possible assassination all the time because killing casters wins games 100% of the time.[/quote] |
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Post by greytemplar on Jan 30, 2018 22:10:33 GMT
I think the key isn't necessarily to make sure each list can play each scenario, but to figure out of a specific list cannot play into one specific type of scenario and then design the second list to cover that scenario.
Example: If you have a list that is rather bricky. Like a Durst jack wall. You should have your 2nd list be something that can spread out better.
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