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Post by macdaddy on Jan 25, 2018 15:38:54 GMT
Hey everyone, I am dabbling a lot into protectorate now and I have had some success running a durst list in Faith-full masses I have grown very fond of. The list is:
(Durst 1) Anson Durst, Rock of the Faith [+28]
- Castigator [12]
- Reckoner [16]
- Reckoner [16]
- Sanctifier [14]
- Hierophant [3]
High Paladin Dartan Vilmon [0(6)]
Vassal Mechanik [1]
Choir of Menoth (max) [6]
Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15]
- Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [0(5)]
Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15]
- Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5]
The list is pretty darn solid. I need to get better with the faction but the list itself feels very good as a skirmishing gunline that can mix it up in melee. Its also a pretty decent gunline drop.
My issue is I am really struggling to find a pair for it.
I was thinking of going super generic with testament:
(High Reclaimer 2) Testament of Menoth [+27]
- Dervish [7]
- Revenger [10]
- Revenger [10]
Wrack [1]
Exemplar Errants (max) [16]
- Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [0(4)]
Exemplar Errants (max) [16]
- Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [0(4)]
Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15]
- Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [0(5)]
Knights Exemplar [9]
-Knights Exemplar Officer [5]
Knights Exemplar [9]
- Knights Exemplar Officer [5]
Or this with Vindictus:
(Vindictus 1) Vice Scrutator Vindictus [+29]
- Sanctifier [14]
- Templar [15]
Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)]
Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)]
Vassal Mechanik [1]
Wrack [1]
Wrack [1]
Exemplar Errants (max) [16]
- Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4]
Exemplar Errants (max) [16]
- Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4]
Knights Exemplar [9]
- Knights Exemplar Officer [0(5)]
Knights Exemplar [9]
- Knights Exemplar Officer [5]
Visgoth Juviah Rhoven & Honor Guard [9]
I also really wanted to try this silly-ness with Kreoss 1 But I don't think it pairs well.
(Kreoss 1) High Exemplar Kreoss [+29]
- Fire of Salvation [16]
- Reckoner [16]
- Redeemer [11]
- Hierophant [0(3)]
Vassal Mechanik [1]
Choir of Menoth (min) [4]
Deliverer Skyhammers (max) [13]
Deliverer Skyhammers (max) [13]
Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15]
- Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [0(5)]
Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15]
- Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [0(5)]
And if not any of those then I really would love to run Sevvy2, but I cannot find a list I actually am fully content with for him. All your help is much appreciated! Thanks!
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Fire Step
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Post by Fire Step on Jan 25, 2018 15:55:39 GMT
The vindictus list is really good and will pair well with The Wall, as the Vinny list is super fast where Durst is slow.
Not sure about Kreoss. His lists tend to hold back, which isv sort of what the Durst list will be doing. Could be an issue into a scenario like spread the net where you're desperate for any models to get involved to contest the far flag and rectangular zone.
Another one to watch is Thyra. She pairs REALLY well with Durst, and her playstyle is really difficult to predict and has a really deadly late game.
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Jan 25, 2018 16:24:30 GMT
The Idrians in the Durst list give it some speed, and a really nice ranged presence. I really like Testament with all of those Advanced Deploy guns. Thyra is a great choice, she's all speed, decent stabby power, and her army tends to flow and dance while Durst has an army that is more bricky after trading first strikes.
Both lists are going to be fairly high Defense, with the Durst list being deceptively hard to hit.
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Post by macdaddy on Jan 26, 2018 4:07:12 GMT
Hmmmm so thyra huh?
How do you guys like this Thyra List:
(Thyra 1) Thyra, Flame of Sorrow [+29]
- Blood of Martyrs [16]
- Sanctifier [14]
Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)]
Knights Exemplar Seneschal [5]
Wrack [1]
Wrack [1]
Choir of Menoth (min) [4]
Exemplar Errants (max) [16]
- Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4]
Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15]
- Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [0(5)]
Knights Exemplar [9]
- Knights Exemplar Officer [5]
Knights Exemplar [9]
- Knights Exemplar Officer [5]
Basically the same as vinny but idrians seem better with her than a second unit of errants.
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Jan 26, 2018 15:40:02 GMT
What does the Bastion Seneshal do in that list? If you're going EI, I would try to fit Elias or another Seneshal instead.
Also, I dont know if Warroom is bugged for me, but the Idrians as the mercenary option can't get the free UA, though it's as simple as making the KE UA free instead. Idrians over a second unit of Errants is also a good idea, it diversifies the list.
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Post by macdaddy on Jan 26, 2018 15:40:38 GMT
What does the Bastion Seneshal do in that list? If you're going EI, I would try to fit Elias or another Seneshal instead. Supposed to be a Knights E senny oops |
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Post by macdaddy on Jan 29, 2018 20:06:20 GMT
Random Idea while brainstorming with Thyra: Thyra: Faithfull Masses -BoM -Castigator -Hierophant 2X Champ of the wall Dartan Vilmon Reclaimer -Sanctifier min chior 2 Max Idrians with UA The idea here is its a combat oriented list. But I feel it may overlap too much with durst because double idrians. Does Vilmon give Champions righteous vengnce? The sanctifier in here gets to P+S 24/22 with potentially future sight from the and effectively 2 pow 24 initials all at mat 8. (Crush + battle + HoV + Silence of death) With a walking threat of 9" on feat turn. I just need to buy 2 Champs of the wall and a reclaimer now  |
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Jan 29, 2018 20:27:32 GMT
Does Vilmon give Champions righteous vengnce? Yes he does, that plus Thyra's feat gives them pretty incredible non linear threat. Don't forget, the Reclaimer can also give Thrya a cloud or Ashen Veil, making her Defense 19. That brings her from "Boosted MAT/RAT 7's will hit her" to "Good Luck." Just be careful that the Reclaimer and Sanctifier don't compete too hard with souls. I would probably have the Reclaimer just be a solo and put the Sanctifier on Thyra, that's how I run my Guardians list, but experiment and see what you like![/quote] |
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Post by dicebedamned on Feb 1, 2018 13:23:33 GMT
Does Vilmon give Champions righteous vengnce? Yes he does, that plus Thyra's feat gives them pretty incredible non linear threat. Don't forget, the Reclaimer can also give Thrya a cloud or Ashen Veil, making her Defense 19. That brings her from "Boosted MAT/RAT 7's will hit her" to "Good Luck." Just be careful that the Reclaimer and Sanctifier don't compete too hard with souls. I would probably have the Reclaimer just be a solo and put the Sanctifier on Thyra, that's how I run my Guardians list, but experiment and see what you like! [/quote] Thyra has stealth, so bar eyeless sight, you do not need the cloud walls for her. I find that Thyra's Gates of Death is all the defensive tech she needs to avoid trouble. The original Thyra list suggested is very similar to one I run, but I drop the Idrians for Vengers and have Gade and a Knights Errant Senny- unyielding is awesome now. It works well, the vengers threat far with Thyra's feat, and Carnage makes sure they hit their targets. |
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Post by paradox on Feb 1, 2018 14:23:57 GMT
Well, or True Sight, or Mage Sight
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Feb 1, 2018 14:42:28 GMT
Thyra has stealth, so bar eyeless sight, you do not need the cloud walls for her. I find that Thyra's Gates of Death is all the defensive tech she needs to avoid trouble. I made the suggestion because he has the Reclaimer in the list running a Sanctifier. I run a Reclaimer in my Thyra Guardians list, too, mostly for the Future Sight on Thyra for an assassination run, or for Stranglehold, or I can put it on Blood of Martyrs when I really need it to do work. Ashen Veil on her is for when I want to play her more forward, since DEF 19 is pretty close to untouchable by living models. In Exemplar Interdiction, I would totally agree on Vengers for their threat and she can run that list super well, too, but his list is Faithful Masses. |
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Post by Swampmist on Feb 2, 2018 1:09:00 GMT
Well, or True Sight, or Mage Sight All of these things also ignore clouds, so the cloud doesn't matter. |
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Post by macdaddy on Feb 2, 2018 14:17:43 GMT
I was thinking, the could could be more effective to protect against things that can target her and threaten her without needing eyeless. Like charges, or assault shots, or sprays.
But honestly, all the reclaimer is really in there for is for crush haha. Because Sanctifiers with full souls and all the toppings are awesome.
do you guys think it might be worth it to drop a heavy in my durst list in exchange fro 2 champs of the wall? I could ditch the sanctifier for 2 champs. That would give me a bit more scenario presence but I would be losing a decent amount of arm cracking. Champs are also arm 22 while mounted under decel which seems legit. The issue is, I think the def 14, arm 21 sanctifier is generally more durable, and hits harder. But its slower and cannot spread out much.
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Feb 2, 2018 17:08:08 GMT
Well, Durst is one of our ADR casters, so you can experiment with having two champions in your side board and seeing how they do. I think they give a lot of threat and boosted POW 16s can still mess things up. '
I really don't like the Sanctifier not under Durst because you lose Bulwark, which makes them DEF 14, and that's huge for a heavy.
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Post by macdaddy on Feb 2, 2018 17:52:14 GMT
Well, Durst is one of our ADR casters, so you can experiment with having two champions in your side board and seeing how they do. I think they give a lot of threat and boosted POW 16s can still mess things up. ' I really don't like the Sanctifier not under Durst because you lose Bulwark, which makes them DEF 14, and that's huge for a heavy. Only def 14 vs living and undead, so jacks and constructs ignore it. But yea, def 14 on a protectorate jack is great. 14/21 under decel is awesome and 14/25 under decel bullwark and feat is amazing. |
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