Munindk
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Post by Munindk on Jan 2, 2018 8:08:28 GMT
How do I deal with Kayazy Eliminators with my current list and with mercs in general?
In our local slowgrow (like a glacier) journeyman league one of the Khador players has picked up unit of Kayazy Eliminators and I'm having some trouble dealing with them. First game against them they chewed through 8 Forgeguard...
We're at the 25pts mark using the 2016 JM rules. I'm playing Ossrum:
Ossrum Basher Driller Blaster Gunner Gunner Forgeguard
The Khador list: Kozlov Juggernaut Decimator Berserker Widowmakers Kayazy Eliminators
Using my current list, I think I can either try to avoid the Eliminators or spray them with my Blaster. The former is hard to do, the latter is risky and will probably cost me my Blaster.
Any ideas?
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Post by sgregorbmmd on Jan 2, 2018 8:18:19 GMT
The blaster should handle them just fine. I'd be more worried about the widowmakers tuning up your forge guard in this particular matchup.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jan 2, 2018 8:38:26 GMT
You could pick up some Eliminators...
Trading a Blaster for a pair of Eliminators (if you can cover them both) is not such a bad trade. Also remember that the Basher has Flak Field. Consider picking up Thor and putting a Blaster on him: with Reposition it can probably get to safety after killing one or both of the little ladies.
Also it might be worth it to slam your own stuff over them if you're desperate?
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tanan
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Post by tanan on Jan 2, 2018 9:21:35 GMT
Trading a Blaster for a pair of Eliminators (if you can cover them both) is not such a bad trade. Also remember that the Basher has Flak Field. Consider picking up Thor and putting a Blaster on him: with Reposition it can probably get to safety after killing one or both of the little ladies. Munindk probably doesn't play his list in theme, but he should because he would get repo 3" for heavies and 2" extra deployment for everyone. Also it might be worth it to slam your own stuff over them if you're desperate? Can't slam own dudes in mk3.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jan 2, 2018 9:32:20 GMT
Can't slam own dudes in mk3. Oops, completely forgot about that, thanks for the catch.
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Munindk
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Post by Munindk on Jan 2, 2018 9:37:52 GMT
Sgregorbmmd: Can the Blaster hit them reliably? Isnt it only the first model hit by the spray that gets boosted rolls? The Widowmakers are a concern for me too, but so far my opponent is content with chipping away at at my Jacks. I'm enjoying it while it lasts, as soon as he realizes that it takes several rounds of shooting before he can cripple anything meaningfull he'll probably be popping Forgeguard instead.
Soul Samurai: I was considering getting some Eliminators myself, but wouldnt it just be a case of mutually assured destruction? I think its a waste putting a blaster on Thor, I'd rather go with either the Basher or an Avalancher. Using the Bashers Flak Field is a great idea though. On paper it looks perfect for killing Eliminators and since they're usually on a flank, I should get some interesting slam angles afterwards.
tanan: Themes arent allowed untill we reach 65pts, at which point I'll be going with Irregulars. In terms of movement its probably inferior to Hammerstrike, but I can make do with the advance move and all the free solos. Besides, the blaster wouldnt get repo in Hammerstrike as its only for the heavies.
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Post by borderprince on Jan 2, 2018 9:54:31 GMT
Sgregorbmmd: Can the Blaster hit them reliably? Isnt it only the first model hit by the spray that gets boosted rolls? Nope - "spend 1 focus to boost all attack and damage rolls". Yes, powerful attack is that good on a Blaster. The Blaster is one of the best options mercs have got. And losing the Blaster isn't too bad. It's only 6 points and those 5 points of Eliminators are a real nuisance (more than 5 points worth) unless you take them out.
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Munindk
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Post by Munindk on Jan 2, 2018 10:08:42 GMT
That makes a difference. I'll have to squeze a second Blaster into my list then Would Reinholdt be worth considering over Sylys, for the anti stealth tech?
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 2, 2018 10:24:34 GMT
For Mercs in general, taking a unit of Gun Mages with Ashlynn in highborn could be ok. Moment of clarity plus Roulette would do the trick
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Post by borderprince on Jan 2, 2018 11:39:56 GMT
That makes a difference. I'll have to squeze a second Blaster into my list then Would Reinholdt be worth considering over Sylys, for the anti stealth tech? From the Mk3 Prime Book, p.54: "Spray attacks ignore ... Stealth" [and pretty much every other rule too]. So no need to worry about Reinholdt for your Blaster.
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Munindk
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Post by Munindk on Jan 2, 2018 11:51:21 GMT
I was thinking that with Reinholdt a gunner could kill an Eliminator from further away?
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tanan
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Post by tanan on Jan 2, 2018 13:54:09 GMT
Themes arent allowed untill we reach 65pts, at which point I'll be going with Irregulars. In terms of movement its probably inferior to Hammerstrike, but I can make do with the advance move and all the free solos. Besides, the blaster wouldnt get repo in Hammerstrike as its only for the heavies. - SPD4 advance move +SDP4 run = 12" move for 1st turn - SPD5 advance move +SPD5 run = 15" move for 1st turn - 2" extra deloyment + SPD4 trample + repo 3" = 12" move for 1st turn - 2" extra deloyment + SPD5 trample + repo 3" = 13" move for 1st turn Irregulars only make Basher slightly faster for your 1st turn. All other non-marshaled rhulic heavies are as fast in Hammerstrike than they are in Irregulars. All lights and colossals are ofc faster in Hammerstrike, because of 2” extra deployment. All heavies are ofc superior in Hammerstrike during other turns, because of repo3. If you play Forgeguard in Hammerstrike they gain tough. The only reason play rhulic caster outside of Hammerstrike is that you hate winning.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Jan 2, 2018 14:58:38 GMT
Reinholdt is awesome, but if you are going with a heavy Rhulic deal, the Siege Crawler is going to be a much better option in the long run.
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Post by borderprince on Jan 2, 2018 14:59:09 GMT
I was thinking that with Reinholdt a gunner could kill an Eliminator from further away? You're right it could. But I think you're over-focusing on the Eliminators. You've got two good pieces for dealing with them in the Blaster and the Basher. Use those, move in, take out the Eliminators if you can. If necessary then use Energiser to move away and try and stay out of threat range of the Khadoran heavies. Don't over focus on the Eliminators when you've also got 3 heavies heading your way.
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Choco
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Post by Choco on Jan 2, 2018 22:27:57 GMT
Can't slam own dudes in mk3. Oops, completely forgot about that, thanks for the catch. What about with the Forgeguard?
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