Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Jan 6, 2018 0:37:10 GMT
Strongly advicating for the best possible outcome is hardly "shit." Over the long term I feel the stance of I want the best thing for my faction with no weaknesses will lead to an overall bad game, and excessive power-creep. If you're not willing to accept sacrifices the game will turn like every other game with power-creep and just die out. I don't particularly care for the "I want OP stuff cause my opponent just got OP stuff" Most of the "best possible outcomes" I've heard in this thread are frankly rediculous. I argued vehemently against most of the battle engine buffs, orion's general power level, satyxis' defense lines, skarre's personal ranged output on that kind of survivability, and even suggested that native arcing fire on new deliverers might be a little much. Since none of that was listened to, I want to be playing on the same battlefields as my opponents.
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Post by paradox on Jan 6, 2018 0:46:13 GMT
Over the long term I feel the stance of I want the best thing for my faction with no weaknesses will lead to an overall bad game, and excessive power-creep. If you're not willing to accept sacrifices the game will turn like every other game with power-creep and just die out. I don't particularly care for the "I want OP stuff cause my opponent just got OP stuff" Most of the "best possible outcomes" I've heard in this thread are frankly rediculous. I argued vehemently against most of the battle engine buffs, orion's general power level, satyxis' defense lines, skarre's personal ranged output on that kind of survivability, and even suggested that native arcing fire on new deliverers might be a little much. Since none of that was listened to, I want to be playing on the same battlefields as my opponents. This is my conclusion as well.
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Post by W0lfBane on Jan 6, 2018 0:46:52 GMT
Over the long term I feel the stance of I want the best thing for my faction with no weaknesses will lead to an overall bad game, and excessive power-creep. If you're not willing to accept sacrifices the game will turn like every other game with power-creep and just die out. I don't particularly care for the "I want OP stuff cause my opponent just got OP stuff" Most of the "best possible outcomes" I've heard in this thread are frankly rediculous. I argued vehemently against most of the battle engine buffs, orion's general power level, satyxis' defense lines, skarre's personal ranged output on that kind of survivability, and even suggested that native arcing fire on new deliverers might be a little much. Since none of that was listened to, I want to be playing on the same battlefields as my opponents. I appreciate you doing your best. I still disagree with the last statement.
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Post by W0lfBane on Jan 6, 2018 0:47:51 GMT
Unrelated to that. I really think the purifier wants fuel the flames. It would give him a niche
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Post by paradox on Jan 6, 2018 0:54:13 GMT
Unrelated to that. I really think the purifier wants fuel the flames. It would give him a niche Then you have a game like I did this week. Where post-CID Kraye grossly out melee threats and handles terrain far better than my Circle. While also shooting like youd expect Cygnar to. So yeah, I want to play at the same level.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Jan 6, 2018 0:55:47 GMT
Unrelated to that. I really think the purifier wants fuel the flames. It would give him a niche been saying this since I read his card. he is NOT better than a dervish and shouldn't be 8 points.
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Post by W0lfBane on Jan 6, 2018 1:07:55 GMT
Unrelated to that. I really think the purifier wants fuel the flames. It would give him a niche been saying this since I read his card. he is NOT better than a dervish and shouldn't be 8 points. I probably got the idea from you
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Jan 6, 2018 2:49:32 GMT
Who knows, it's a fairly popular idea to shore up the little jack.
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Post by greytemplar on Jan 6, 2018 5:42:35 GMT
Indeed. It would give him a valuable niche without being OP, since you'd be bringing a melee only jack to support your guns. Which seems a fair trade. Especially considering the Firefly exists.
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Fire Step
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Post by Fire Step on Jan 6, 2018 10:39:03 GMT
I've felt for a while that purifier should have had native parry, or fuel for the flames. Seems a bit odd that a dedicated fire warjack struggles to spread it 😁
If anyone has tried him with Amon, I'd be interested to know how he does. It's a bit like the repenter with Amon - speed 7 plus parry on an 8" flamethrower is actually really good but not a lot of people seem to be trying it. It's won me games before.
Anyway,back on topic.
Vindictus is the only real option for me at the moment for EI, and his stock will only go up with any improvement to medium bases, especially Cinerators. Even now I think they could make a really strong option for the anchor of the list.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Jan 6, 2018 13:00:52 GMT
I've played with Amon, Feoras 2 and 3, and Reznik 1.
It outmatched a dervish 1 time, and that was because of the chain weapon rule instead of anything fire related. More than parry it needs side step, like it's bladed cousin. More than either of those it needs interaction with fires that already exist, otherwise we still wouldn't take it.
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Post by Dega1000 on Jan 6, 2018 16:25:19 GMT
Remove crit fire and give him crit dispel on the 2 initial attacks, then he'd have a place in some lists. His name is Purifier after all. Or a single special attack with crit dispel
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khobai
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Post by khobai on Jan 6, 2018 17:06:06 GMT
I would just give the purifier blazing wrath (charge models on fire for free) and swap its point cost with the dervish.
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Post by greytemplar on Jan 6, 2018 19:30:26 GMT
I would just give the purifier blazing wrath (charge models on fire for free) and swap its point cost with the dervish. That would just make the Dervish worse for no reason. And you'd still never see Purifiers.
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Post by W0lfBane on Jan 6, 2018 21:23:55 GMT
I would just give the purifier blazing wrath (charge models on fire for free) and swap its point cost with the dervish. That would just make the Dervish worse for no reason. And you'd still never see Purifiers. It would take the dervish from way too good for its points to slightly overcosted
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