Fire Step
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Post by Fire Step on Apr 30, 2018 21:37:01 GMT
This idea is one I've had related to zealots and Vindictus. He has summer very cool rules on his second card I have NEVER used since zealots aren't in EI
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Post by W0lfBane on May 1, 2018 5:27:48 GMT
This idea is one I've had related to zealots and Vindictus. He has summer very cool rules on his second card I have NEVER used since zealots aren't in EI Zealots should be allowed in every theme. I can't think of anyanyone that would be like oh no zealous civilians don't take up arms.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on May 1, 2018 12:03:28 GMT
This idea is one I've had related to zealots and Vindictus. He has summer very cool rules on his second card I have NEVER used since zealots aren't in EI I said it before, but here it is again: I think the solution to vindictus is changing him to be better with zealots and deliverers, and make him want FM masses more. Even if he had to lose true path to do it, it would open up a lot of room for Kreoss 2 and this new guy to grow into.
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Post by dicebedamned on May 1, 2018 12:19:57 GMT
This idea is one I've had related to zealots and Vindictus. He has summer very cool rules on his second card I have NEVER used since zealots aren't in EI I said it before, but here it is again: I think the solution to vindictus is changing him to be better with zealots and deliverers, and make him want FM masses more. Even if he had to lose true path to do it, it would open up a lot of room for Kreoss 2 and this new guy to grow into. Nooooooo! Noooooo! Noooo! No! No.... I love Vindi because of True Path. Leave Vindi alone. Vindi works fine in FM as is. True Path on Champions is dangerous, and his feat helps the monks and paladins get into position without worrying too much on turn 1. Does anyone even take more than a min unit of Zealots if they are going for the 'zealot shield' tactic? I don't think Vindi gets taken in EI over FM all the time because he is super good in that theme he is) but rather that he is the only caster (other than maybe testament/thrya at a push) who can deliver exemplar. Fix the delivery issues with Kreoss 2, and Vindi is not the auto include for Ei he is currently. I think there is enough abilities and spells out there that they can make new kid and Kreoss2 deliver exemplar well without having to strip things from Vindi.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on May 1, 2018 12:41:26 GMT
I said it before, but here it is again: I think the solution to vindictus is changing him to be better with zealots and deliverers, and make him want FM masses more. Even if he had to lose true path to do it, it would open up a lot of room for Kreoss 2 and this new guy to grow into. Nooooooo! Noooooo! Noooo! No! No.... I love Vindi because of True Path. Leave Vindi alone. Vindi works fine in FM as is. True Path on Champions is dangerous, and his feat helps the monks and paladins get into position without worrying too much on turn 1. Does anyone even take more than a min unit of Zealots if they are going for the 'zealot shield' tactic? I don't think Vindi gets taken in EI over FM all the time because he is super good in that theme he is) but rather that he is the only caster (other than maybe testament/thrya at a push) who can deliver exemplar. Fix the delivery issues with Kreoss 2, and Vindi is not the auto include for Ei he is currently. I think there is enough abilities and spells out there that they can make new kid and Kreoss2 deliver exemplar well without having to strip things from Vindi. Vindi might work fine in Faithful Masses, but does that even matter if he's better in Exemplar Interdiction? Even if Kreoss and Newguy get a delivery mechanic, the combination of true path and that feat make a MASSIVE pair of shoes to fill. I honestly think that for the others to show up, he has to lose it(K2 could stand to pick it up, it's not like the Faction has to lose it). After all, it's not like the faithful masses lack for speed on their own, so Vindictus will be able to actually get his upkeeps out and feat for the board position on turn 1 anyway. In return, he could get a zealot leadership ability (hand of fate would be pretty bonkers) and maybe a spell to do....something... for the deliverers. Dischargeable AP upkeep?
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Post by macdaddy on May 1, 2018 12:47:18 GMT
Provengreil Remember, Vinny delivers the knights, but does nothing to increase their damage, meaning that he struggles into arm and def skews. Vindictus Grantees delivery, but if Kreoss 2 can give a solid delivery AND increase accuracy and/or damage than you have a niche for kreoss to handle Skews with EI. Right now, our best caster for that in EI, IMO is thyra, but she struggles to deliver the exemplar as well as vindictus and is allergic to gun-lines where vindictus can face them down more consistently. There are trade offs. I take thyra over vindictus to handle things like Madrack 1 champions, or High arm jack spam, or una2 with all the dodging def 15 birbs. If Kreoss2 can give us an option in between those two, I think he will be taken a lot.
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Post by dragonpup on May 1, 2018 14:08:25 GMT
Crazy thought... What about Rapid Healing on Bastions?
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on May 1, 2018 14:12:13 GMT
That might be a step too far... any alpha at all that fails to wipe the entire squad will likely result in the bastions living and healing through the eintire game. It would make anyone with Dward terrifying.
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Post by greytemplar on May 1, 2018 14:45:33 GMT
Crazy thought... What about Rapid Healing on Bastions? Would not help. We have already been given multiple ways to heal them. The Vessel’s d3 heal ability, the seneschal healing, etc... Their issue is surviving to be healed in the first place.
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Post by danith00 on May 1, 2018 14:45:33 GMT
Crazy thought... What about Rapid Healing on Bastions? If they make Bastions tanky I’m gonna rage. They just need to make a Bastions the cannon fodder of medium based infantry. Make them cost 12/13 points. Give them a delivery mechanic like relentless advance and up their damage a bit and bam. Good
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Fire Step
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Post by Fire Step on May 1, 2018 15:27:41 GMT
Taking true path from Vindictus and adding to Kreoss2 would almost solve the power difference between the two, if it weren't for Vindictus' feat. As it stands Infantry hate is well and truly alive right now, it is so difficult to deliver them that a great feat like Vindictus' will just continue to run over other friendly warcasters.
From what I understand of Kreoss2 his game plan was "run forward desperately and hope enough gets through to do a feat turn". He simply can't do that in the modern meta game and expect to be able to play beyond turn 3 into any modern army list.
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Post by Hashmal on May 1, 2018 15:49:09 GMT
Don't worry, he couldn't do it in Mk. II either.
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