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Post by leotherat on Dec 19, 2017 18:30:21 GMT
I was considering light Cav units and was wondering if the Cygnar ponies might do well. Again it's just that I really don't want to go down another army rabbit hole. Why don't mercs have a decent Cav selection? I know that IRL cav unit upkeep can be expensive. You'd thing that someone would make a free lance company either from Cygnar or Khador. Back on point I don't really see how your list cracks much armor. Do you pair it with a cracking list or what do you do (say facing Karchev)?
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Dec 19, 2017 18:45:57 GMT
i sure blazers would be fine but resistance don't have enough armor crackers right now so u cant afford the luxury
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Post by eterenal on Dec 19, 2017 19:24:47 GMT
So your specific advise is ...? (Not being sarcastic) I honestly want to hear your idea(s). Basically, if you're not running infantry that can actually crack armor (stormblades, stormlances, etc) you need to have at least three heavies with P+S 17 or better. The default choice is nearly always three nomads. For one more point than the Vanguards you are getting a model that actually kills other heavies.
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Post by leotherat on Dec 19, 2017 19:47:18 GMT
How does this look with a Menoth twist: conflictchamber.com/#c6201b_-0R5r5Z5Z5I9v7jj6e05Y7kg89u7z7_2_2viFMercenary Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Llaelese Resistance (Ashlynn 1) Ashlynn D'Elyse [+29] - Nomad [11] - Nomad [11] - Talon [7] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4] Anastasia di Bray [3] Eilish Garrity, the Occultist [0(5)] Gastone Crosse [4] - Mule [15] Gorman di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist [4] Major Harrison Gibbs [4] Ragman [4] Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [4] Taryn di la Rovissi, Llaelese Gun Mage [0(5)] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Vengers (max) [20] Thorn Gun Mages [9] I really appreciate the feedback and help. Should I be pairing Ashlynn with Magnus or McBain?
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Post by tanan on Dec 19, 2017 20:33:42 GMT
Remember that Gaston in Ashlynn-Resistance can hit enemy on the deployment zone during 1A.
If I played Ashlynn it would be something like this:
Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points (Ashlynn 1) Ashlynn D'Elyse [+29] - Gallant [17] - Rocinante [18] - Vanguard [10] - Vanguard [10] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4] Harlan Versh, Illuminated One [4] Major Harrison Gibbs [4] Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [5] Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [4] Wrong Eye [17] Steelhead Halberdiers (max) [11]
The list is very simple. Everyone buffs Ashlynn and she becomes invincible* sword princess, who goes straight towards the enemy warcaster and kills it in melee.
* DEF19+star-crossed vs. Melee, DEF17+concealment+2 shield guards vs shooting, Immunity to KD and first three spells, repo 3".
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Post by eterenal on Dec 19, 2017 22:13:13 GMT
Someone call the fire brigade, because that list is a roaring trash fire.
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Post by eterenal on Dec 19, 2017 22:15:39 GMT
How does this look with a Menoth twist: conflictchamber.com/#c6201b_-0R5r5Z5Z5I9v7jj6e05Y7kg89u7z7_2_2viFMercenary Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Llaelese Resistance (Ashlynn 1) Ashlynn D'Elyse [+29] - Nomad [11] - Nomad [11] - Talon [7] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4] Anastasia di Bray [3] Eilish Garrity, the Occultist [0(5)] Gastone Crosse [4] - Mule [15] Gorman di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist [4] Major Harrison Gibbs [4] Ragman [4] Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [4] Taryn di la Rovissi, Llaelese Gun Mage [0(5)] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Vengers (max) [20] Thorn Gun Mages [9] I really appreciate the feedback and help. Should I be pairing Ashlynn with Magnus or McBain? Some decent changes here. Are you set on the Mule? I've always through the crit dev was more cute than good. A mariner is one point less and gets you a significantly longer range gun threat and decent melee presence. Either McBain or Magnus would be decent, but I'd gear them a lot more jack heavy to compliment your relatively light jack loadout in the Ashylnn list. Damiano would be another great pair.
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Post by shoe on Dec 20, 2017 4:54:40 GMT
How does this look with a Menoth twist: conflictchamber.com/#c6201b_-0R5r5Z5Z5I9v7jj6e05Y7kg89u7z7_2_2viFMercenary Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Llaelese Resistance (Ashlynn 1) Ashlynn D'Elyse [+29] - Nomad [11] - Nomad [11] - Talon [7] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4] Anastasia di Bray [3] Eilish Garrity, the Occultist [0(5)] Gastone Crosse [4] - Mule [15] Gorman di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist [4] Major Harrison Gibbs [4] Ragman [4] Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [4] Taryn di la Rovissi, Llaelese Gun Mage [0(5)] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Vengers (max) [20] Thorn Gun Mages [9] I really appreciate the feedback and help. Should I be pairing Ashlynn with Magnus or McBain? there is not much bidness in that list. u got 2 beaters, 9 guns, 5 horsies and a light. trenchers do bidness
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Post by Tucker on Dec 20, 2017 5:25:46 GMT
Yes, too many solos in the Protectorate-flavored army.
I would consider dropping Taryn and Rhupert (or Gorman) and adding a second unit of Thorns. They do great at pushing stuff and knocking it down on Roulette turn, and they can hit pretty hard too. With Ragman they can actually threaten mildly hard targets, but don't try to tackle ARM spam with them!
I would also consider upgrading one of the Nomads to a second Mule, if you have the model. Two Mules are much better than one, as you average one critical Devastation per turn that way.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Dec 20, 2017 7:56:04 GMT
even 1 more point spent on warjacks costs him a solo. eilish can puppet master for reliable crits. he would have to drop the talon to upgrade and he loses the hitting power of the nomad in the process. all he can do with the remaining 3 wjp is turn the other nomad into a mariner or 2 talons
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Post by Xintas on Dec 20, 2017 14:16:30 GMT
To provide my own two cents on the question from a while back, I would pair any of these lists with Magnus2 over Ossrum. It gives you a very different style of list and the ability to cover your major weakness (Arm skew) very well.
Also, I love that shoe added in that the only model he will tell anyone to buy is river raiders.
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Post by Tucker on Dec 20, 2017 14:35:58 GMT
even 1 more point spent on warjacks costs him a solo. eilish can puppet master for reliable crits. he would have to drop the talon to upgrade and he loses the hitting power of the nomad in the process. all he can do with the remaining 3 wjp is turn the other nomad into a mariner or 2 talons All good points. I have difficulty accounting for the intricacies of theme force list-building. However, it is often worth giving up on one free solo to build a more effective army. And I don't think he has to worry so much about hitting power when he has the Choir and Ragman. Base P+S 16 will probably be fine.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Dec 20, 2017 14:43:27 GMT
My General advice for Ashlynn is that like with any control caster (Denny 1, Coven, Haley 2), you don't want to be feating just defensively, you need to get some offensive use out of the feat as well. the longer you can hold a control feat like Ashlynns the more powerful it becomes.
That is why I personally would always use Trencher Infantry with her, the Quicken, pathfinder, repo 3 cloudwall allows you to get the first strike most of the time
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Post by leotherat on Dec 20, 2017 15:46:41 GMT
So, do people think that Ashlynn is better in LR with cygnar, protectorate or, pure mercs? Most of you seem to think that she functions best with Trencher Inf (cygnar). Do you max out the inf with CA and 3 WAs? Do you then go melee heavy while taking advantage of the cloud wall or do you mix in some shooting just to keep the other side honest? There seems to be some fairly basic philosophy differences and maybe we can all come out for the better with the hows and whys of list selection for Ashlynn in LR. I was thinking maybe full trenchers + full ATGM + thorns for shooting (and maybe Taryn for shadowfire)with my jacks all going on Ashlynn being melee oriented. Add in Ragman and Gorman for a little bit of BLAM. conflictchamber.com/#c6201b_-0J5p5X5X5Z5Z5F5W9v3WdH7m4k9hirchch8M___-0R5r5X5Z5Z9v7jj6dH7kg89u7_9K9LiF9U9V9YMercenary Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Irregulars (Magnus 2) Magnus the Warlord [+28] - Mangler [15] - Mangler [15] - Nomad [11] - Nomad [11] - Renegade [10] - Vanguard [10] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [0(4)] Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios [0(7)] Gobber Tinker [2] Kell Bailoch [0(5)] Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [0(4)] Herne & Jonne [5] Horgenhold Artillery Corps [6] Kayazy Eliminators [5] Kayazy Eliminators [5] Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8] Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Llaelese Resistance (Ashlynn 1) Ashlynn D'Elyse [+29] - Mangler [15] - Nomad [11] - Nomad [11] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4] Anastasia di Bray [3] Eilish Garrity, the Occultist [0(5)] Gobber Tinker [2] Gorman di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist [4] Major Harrison Gibbs [4] Ragman [4] Taryn di la Rovissi, Llaelese Gun Mage [0(5)] Arcane Tempest Gun Mages [11] - Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Officer [4] Thorn Gun Mages [9] Trencher Infantry (max) [16] - Trencher Infantry Officer & Sniper [0(5)] - Trencher Infantry Rifle Grenadier (3) [6] Since this is sort of a compromise list in terms of what people are suggesting I doubt it's great but is it good enough to put on the table with some confidence against other armies? How would you feel with this list pairing? If you would, when making suggestions please say what and why. I, and I'm sure others, would appreciate the insights.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Dec 20, 2017 15:57:59 GMT
I think Trencher Infantry are the best way to go (but then I already own them so I am probably biased), with Quicken they are effectively advancing ~6.5" up the board per turn behind a cloudwall. I personally would go for a pair of Manglers on Ashlynn, the free charge helps as Ashlynn does not want to hand out focus, and the Thresher gets them the volume of attacks against infantry without spending focus. the list I am going to try is:
Ashlynn - Sylys - Mangler - Mangler
Anastasia Gorman Ragman Gibbs Tarynn (free) Eilish (free) Rutger Shaw
Thorn Mages Max Trencher Infantry - Officer (free) Max Storm Lances Blythe & Bull
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