Choco
Junior Strategist
Gorten, best feet in the game.
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Post by Choco on Dec 14, 2017 18:52:33 GMT
Maybe some of these decisions are here to encourage us to play multi-caster games?
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Hjard
Junior Strategist
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Post by Hjard on Dec 15, 2017 13:47:30 GMT
They sometimes seem to be stuck in a direction... Minions had almost little/no pathfinder and suddenly it's everywhere. From beasts gaining it, to onslaught on Barnabus to ghostly on a stick... I also agree it was ... unfortunate to keep the witch Croc doc out of the non-minion tables. Well that part never made that much sense, given that they are almost exclusively "lives in some kind of bush"-type creatures so I'm not particularly surprised by that trend.
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Post by jisidro on Dec 15, 2017 14:16:39 GMT
They sometimes seem to be stuck in a direction... Minions had almost little/no pathfinder and suddenly it's everywhere. From beasts gaining it, to onslaught on Barnabus to ghostly on a stick... I also agree it was ... unfortunate to keep the witch Croc doc out of the non-minion tables. Well that part never made that much sense, given that they are almost exclusively "lives in some kind of bush"-type creatures so I'm not particularly surprised by that trend.
There is always good justification for having pathfinder, it's a really relevant ability... that's exactly why it should be relevant and be reflected on cost and models that have it... Plus, as a circle player it is very galling to see THE forest faction where every warrior model except the skinwalkers has pathfinder or teleports, all the warlocks have it and then the most relevant models, the warbeasts, lack it and the faction as a whole lacks a way to give it.
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Post by Azahul on Dec 15, 2017 17:28:04 GMT
There is always good justification for having pathfinder, it's a really relevant ability... that's exactly why it should be relevant and be reflected on cost and models that have it... Plus, as a circle player it is very galling to see THE forest faction where every warrior model except the skinwalkers has pathfinder or teleports, all the warlocks have it and then the most relevant models, the warbeasts, lack it and the faction as a whole lacks a way to give it.
But this isn't a new experience for Circle, is it? All Skorne and Troll Warbeasts have access to Pathfinder through Rush, and just about all Legion Warbeasts either have Pathfinder natively or have Flight instead About time for Minions to finally catch up with the other factions.
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Post by macdaddy on Dec 15, 2017 17:39:46 GMT
But this isn't a new experience for Circle, is it? All Skorne and Troll Warbeasts have access to Pathfinder through Rush, and just about all Legion Warbeasts either have Pathfinder natively or have Flight instead About time for Minions to finally catch up with the other factions. We had bounding on the Gnarlhorn, and If I am correct one of our lights granted pathfinder back in MK2. Its been a while so I could be mistaken about bounding giving pathfinder, but it was basically rush. So we at least ad access to pathfinder at the cost of damage output (just like trolls.) Interestingly Skorne get the best of both worlds and have rush as an animus and damage buffs that are not animi meaning their beasts can have +2 speed, pathfinder, and a big damage swing. Circle is the one faction who probably should have had access to pathfinder (forest people for goodness sake...) And still does not have it. I am not sure what the reasons are for this but it is....frustrating when you navigate terrain worse than factions like trolls, skorne and Khador.
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Post by jacobi on Dec 15, 2017 18:40:38 GMT
Bounding was rush without pathfinder (+2 movement on charges and I think something like +2 on the attack roll for the chargeattack). But we could teleport 8" + basesize and there were even times we could teleport one model twice so lack of pathfinder was less of an issue. Also the stalker was very dominant in list building who had pathfinder.
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Post by jisidro on Dec 18, 2017 9:48:40 GMT
There is always good justification for having pathfinder, it's a really relevant ability... that's exactly why it should be relevant and be reflected on cost and models that have it... Plus, as a circle player it is very galling to see THE forest faction where every warrior model except the skinwalkers has pathfinder or teleports, all the warlocks have it and then the most relevant models, the warbeasts, lack it and the faction as a whole lacks a way to give it.
But this isn't a new experience for Circle, is it? All Skorne and Troll Warbeasts have access to Pathfinder through Rush, and just about all Legion Warbeasts either have Pathfinder natively or have Flight instead About time for Minions to finally catch up with the other factions.
Catch up is one thing ghostly is another...
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