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Post by macdaddy on Dec 6, 2017 20:11:57 GMT
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Dec 7, 2017 2:50:03 GMT
eww.
I think it has to be thyra + 1, all the others want a minimum of 60% warjacks. Durst can't spread out enough for scenario, and reznik is fun but not reliable in a tournament setting...I think it's pretty much locked malekus/thyra.
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Post by W0lfBane on Dec 7, 2017 3:25:30 GMT
eww. I think it has to be thyra + 1, all the others want a minimum of 60% warjacks. Durst can't spread out enough for scenario, and reznik is fun but not reliable in a tournament setting...I think it's pretty much locked malekus/thyra. I feel reznik has more game than Darth pie eater
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Fire Step
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Post by Fire Step on Dec 7, 2017 13:35:35 GMT
Thyra in either Guardians or Exemplar interdiction is very good. She will be set in stone for me.
Durst actually operates excellently in Faithful Masses, and that list has a surprising turn of speed and contests well compared to the more accepted "Creators Might" version. It also hits like an absolute truck- pow 22 mat8 crusaders with almost no input is money. It attritions very well and Durst has relatively good survivability.
Reznik and Malekus are less clear. Both of them only really have one theme force each that they like to sit in. I haven't been convinced by Malekus in the past, no matter how good his character jack happens to be.
Reznik is pretty dangerous for the protectorate player, but I'd probably take him over Malekus. I've been trying to get my head round him for a while. Maybe this is time for us all to club together to find a list for him, especially since themes now take mercs.
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Post by greytemplar on Dec 7, 2017 17:01:15 GMT
eww. I think it has to be thyra + 1, all the others want a minimum of 60% warjacks. Durst can't spread out enough for scenario, and reznik is fun but not reliable in a tournament setting...I think it's pretty much locked malekus/thyra. I feel reznik has more game than Darth pie eater Yeah, way more potential.
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Post by Swampmist on Dec 7, 2017 17:24:58 GMT
So, Malekus+Thyra is Pagani's protectorate pair, and one of his biggest issues with Malekus was not having enough points for everything. Specialists helps that list a lot, and he continues to run one of the best revelators in faction.
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Post by macdaddy on Dec 7, 2017 17:34:57 GMT
So I am thinking of running this:[ Thyra: Interdiction -BoM -Sanctifier Max errants with UA 2 Knights E with UA Max Idrians with UA 2 Knights E Senny’s Min Chior 2 Wracks
Reserves: Guardian Gravus Knights E with UA
Reznick: Creators Might -Hierophant -Revelator -Scourge -Reckoner -Revenger Max Idrians with UA 2 Vassal Of Menoth Min Chior
Reserves Reckoner Vanquisher 3 Mechanics Wrack
The Idea behind the pairing is that reznick is my cryx drop...yes hear me out!
with a revelator Reznick offers: -Control AoE's for infantry getting around a lot of defensive tech -Debuff prevention. If they try to plop an arm debuff on my I can either walk away or take a pot shot at something. -His feat can shut down Dark Industries for a turn. -Lots of perdition targets mean I can get really interesting threat angles.
The reckoner and Vanquisher swap out for the revelator with the mechanics in the event that I need The extra heavies for scenario or some such occurrence. I sacrifice ranged output for some extra melee attacks and board presence.
I am sure Ill be horribly disappointed when models hit the table, but In my brain it all makes sense!
Thyra just eats anything that comes at it. Mat 9 P+S 15 knights exemplar seems super legit. They also threat 11" with her feat! If I can get my hands on 2 units of vengers Ill find a way to fit them into the list. The idea behind gravus is I can swap him and the guardian out for the sanctifier and the 2 senny's. The no knockdown stationary may come in handy in certain match ups. The guardian gives me an option for an arc node as well to try and get more work out of strangelhold (also mat 7 is a big deal) The knights E with UA are in the event I need more bodies on the table. I could swap them for the 2 sennys and the chior.
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Post by alisandar on Dec 7, 2017 21:15:10 GMT
Would it be possible to split the lists in your post? Having trouble deciphering which is which.
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Dec 7, 2017 21:43:17 GMT
Thyra and Durst as a pairing have game. I like Durst into both EI and FM, as both have the potential to get infantry up to ARM 18 vs shooting. This is good for Cygnar, who I would look to drop Durst into. I would look at double Errant, double Sanctifier, and Crusaders for Durst. Sprinkle in free solos. For FM, double Zealots all the way with a more ranged battlegroup. And Sanctifiers.
Thyra would cover most matchups. Would build her into Guardians first with an eye on taking Cryx out. And also Hordes, particularly Trolls. FM, I like the solo spam missile boat that Champions enable, but think I would have to build Durst for Cryx then. Not sure I like that.
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Choco
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Post by Choco on Dec 7, 2017 22:03:20 GMT
Anyone else realize that all of our medium base casters are in this ADR?
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Post by W0lfBane on Dec 7, 2017 23:24:47 GMT
So I am thinking of running this: Thyra: Interdiction Reznick1: Creators Might -Blood of Martyrs (cuz pow 20 blessed is amazing) -hierophant -Sanctifier -Revelator 2 Knights E Sennys -Scourge of Heresy 2 Wracks -Reckoner min chior -revenger (arcing is important Max errants 2 Vassals -UA Min Chior 2X Knights E Max Idrians -UA -UA Max Idrians -UA Reserve: Reckoner Reserve: Vanquisher Guardian 3 Mechanics Gravus Wrack knights E with UA The Idea behind the pairing is that reznick is my cryx drop...yes hear me out! with a revelator Reznick offers: -Control AoE's for infantry getting around a lot of defensive tech -Debuff prevention. If they try to plop an arm debuff on my I can either walk away or take a pot shot at something. -His feat can shut down Dark Industries for a turn. -Lots of perdition targets mean I can get really interesting threat angles. The reckoner and Vanquisher swap out for the revelator with the mechanics in the event that I need The extra heavies for scenario or some such occurrence. I sacrifice ranged output for some extra melee attacks and board presence. I am sure Ill be horribly disappointed when models hit the table, but In my brain it all makes sense! Thyra just eats anything that comes at it. Mat 9 P+S 15 knights exemplar seems super legit. They also threat 11" with her feat! If I can get my hands on 2 units of vengers Ill find a way to fit them into the list. The idea behind gravus is I can swap him and the guardian out for the sanctifier and the 2 senny's. The no knockdown stationary may come in handy in certain match ups. The guardian gives me an option for an arc node as well to try and get more work out of strangelhold (also mat 7 is a big deal) The knights E with UA are in the event I need more bodies on the table. I could swap them for the 2 sennys and the chior. Revelator cant walk out of activation.
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Post by macdaddy on Dec 7, 2017 23:51:14 GMT
He Can shoot a remains in play AoE that does auto Pow 12 fire Damage and continuous fire though.
I play Krueger 2 enough to know that AoE’s like that are gross into infantry like babes, shield wall infantry, or high Def stealth infantry.
Even bane riders will take damage from a Pow 12.
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Post by macdaddy on Dec 7, 2017 23:54:05 GMT
Would it be possible to split the lists in your post? Having trouble deciphering which is which. Wow laptop formatting did not work at all on my phone.... yeah I’ll fix them sorry guys!
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Post by greytemplar on Dec 8, 2017 3:35:51 GMT
So, Malekus+Thyra is Pagani's protectorate pair, and one of his biggest issues with Malekus was not having enough points for everything. Specialists helps that list a lot, and he continues to run one of the best revelators in faction. Malakus is very questionable choice there. Seems like a forced situation bringing him instead of Reznik. Like a "I really want Malakus to work and dammit I'm gonna try!" Revelator needs hit buffs, not damage buffs, and Malakus doesn't help there.
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Post by macdaddy on Dec 8, 2017 3:56:29 GMT
So, Malekus+Thyra is Pagani's protectorate pair, and one of his biggest issues with Malekus was not having enough points for everything. Specialists helps that list a lot, and he continues to run one of the best revelators in faction. Malakus is very questionable choice there. Seems like a forced situation bringing him instead of Reznik. Like a "I really want Malakus to work and dammit I'm gonna try!" Revelator needs hit buffs, not damage buffs, and Malakus doesn't help there. Revelator can put out 6 4” fire aoes woth Malekus...that’s some crazy Infantry Control...
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