shoe
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Post by shoe on Dec 3, 2017 20:53:09 GMT
correction. kaetlyn has not married teh king and won't until he proves his manhood and frees llael
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Post by droopingpuppy on Dec 4, 2017 3:10:08 GMT
By the spoilers of Cygnar book, there is some chance that she shifts the faction by add Partisan[Cygnar], but consider the alliance between the resistance and Protectorate it is somewhat problematic to do so. Also, while Cygnar fights for Llael, but they did abandon Llael after its capital was fallen so Ashleynn don't like Cygnar personally. Ashlynn's recent displeasure with Cygnar goes a bit beyond that. She's on alright terms with Stryker but Cygnar's less benevolent under Julius... - Cygnar controls the llaelese heir Kaetlyn di Martyn (married to Leto), who has been entirely inactive except as a pawn. Ash says she's got one generation to establish a free Llael otherwise the llaelese crown gets subsumed by the cygnaran royal family, and seems entirely willing to go to war over this down the road despite all their cooperation in Acts of War 2. Ash hasn't met Kate so this could change but outlook for cooperation once Khador is pushed out isn't great.
- Without involving the resistance, Cygnar just invaded Llael in an attempt to "free" it for their own future control. They then resorted to war crimes in taking Riversmet; an explosive alchemical gas ("devil's gasp") blew up half the town and gassed thousands of Khadorans (and any remaining civilians). Ashlynn isn't too keen on Cygnaran style liberation.
Ash views Ord as the only nation that doesn't really have interests counter to Llael's whose help she needs against Khador now and as a counterweight to Cygnar in the future (Protectorate is mostly pulling out). Bringing Ord into the war is the impetus for going to great lengths to rescue the leaders of the Crucible Guard. In addition to being a alchemical Jekyll/Hyde monster warcaster, Alyce di Morray (nee Cathor) is a relative of the Ordic king. Thanks for the reference. Then it would be hard to do as I suspected, but I didn't expect that the problem is too bad than I was imagine. I suspect that Julius, or at least Kaetlyn, may have a plan for success Cygnar for one (prospective) child and Llael for the other, but it is too early to say. By the way, isn't Kaetlyn marry with Julius, rather than Leto?
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Post by droopingpuppy on Dec 4, 2017 3:10:59 GMT
correction. kaetlyn has not married teh king and won't until he proves his manhood and frees llael Then it would be just an engagement right now....
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Post by borderprince on Dec 4, 2017 7:21:23 GMT
correction. kaetlyn has not married teh king and won't until he proves his manhood and frees llael Well one wouldn't want to marry a man without a manhood. The marriage would be a flop. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Post by gobber on Dec 4, 2017 10:43:45 GMT
Good catch; also she's betrothed to Julius not Leto. Derp.
Interesting blurb from AoW2: "But I want assurances from you, Lord General, from you personally, that you will let the surviving people and nobles of Free Llael--and the Resistance Council--decide if Kaetlyn di la Martyn is to be our queen. It is their decision, not Julius Raelthorne's." "You have it," Stryker said. "I will do all in my power to ensure Llael remains a sovereign nation, even if it means defying my king." And it will most certainly mean that. Magnus' expression was inscrutable, dangerous.
Stryker4 merc/partisan would be interesting...
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Post by leotherat on Dec 4, 2017 12:03:32 GMT
Maybe PP will kill 2 birds at the same time. Ashlynn turns to the church of Morrow for aid and becomes a Morrowin caster to add to the (currently non-existant) Morrowin theme list.
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Choco
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Post by Choco on Dec 4, 2017 17:23:31 GMT
Maybe PP will kill 2 birds at the same time. Ashlynn turns to the church of Morrow for aid and becomes a Morrowin caster to add to the (currently non-existant) Morrowin theme list. That seems like an extreme shift in what she is trying to do. I'm not against her looking for help from the Church, but I don't see her converting (she might be a follower already, but I don't see her being *that* devoted).
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Post by Charistoph on Dec 5, 2017 4:36:53 GMT
Maybe PP will kill 2 birds at the same time. Ashlynn turns to the church of Morrow for aid and becomes a Morrowin caster to add to the (currently non-existant) Morrowin theme list. That seems like an extreme shift in what she is trying to do. I'm not against her looking for help from the Church, but I don't see her converting (she might be a follower already, but I don't see her being *that* devoted). She might if she had an appropriate religious experience. Harbinger "conveniently" shows up to save her, and you have all the markings of a standard Iron Kingdom story, especially if she was mostly dead when the Menites arrived. Still, all and all, it is a long shot. I would not be disappointed to see Ashlynn2 stay pure Lael. I am already semi-disappionted Magnus2 started working for Cygnar, no matter how much I like Kingmakers.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Dec 5, 2017 19:58:46 GMT
No matter the outcome, I appreciate you all reading the fluff and bringing it to our attention. I like the fluff, but have found the writing to be...spotty.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Dec 5, 2017 22:49:51 GMT
the writing is fine. the editing on flashpoint was a disaster. and then some of the books just suck like the latest pirates book: "CAPTAIN SHAE AND THE QUEST FOR THE MACGUFFIN"
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Post by borderprince on Dec 6, 2017 8:53:01 GMT
In fairness to PP/SiX many publishers are trying to save costs by outsourcing copy-editing - I've had some truly awful copy-editing in the last few years. But Flashpoint was not their first book and editing issues were pointed out earlier. They had time to find better editors. I'd recommend the ones used by Bloomsbury, they've always been great.
The quest for the MacGuffin is a fairly staple plot device though, especially in fairly pulp work (which SiX generally is) - the issue is whether it's done well. Let's face it, Indiana Jones movies are by definition 'Quest for the MacGuffin' movies, and most of those are great entertainment.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Dec 6, 2017 14:20:18 GMT
the writing is fine. the editing on flashpoint was a disaster. and then some of the books just suck like the latest pirates book: "CAPTAIN SHAE AND THE QUEST FOR THE MACGUFFIN" The writing is fine for off media tie in fluff dumps. If it didn't have the Iron Kingdoms license, most of it wouldn't reach par even as pulp, which is effectively a dead genre in terms of literature. Pulp primarily exists now as tie in media (such as this) or as TV and movies (e.g. Rocketeer, The Mummy, Mask of Zorro, etc.)
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Post by april on Dec 6, 2017 22:32:30 GMT
Ashlynn is a caster I really want but her figure really puts me off ( I understand the Minicrate version of her isn't too bad so ill probably use that to start my resistance )
Though should I just wait for crucible?
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Post by magnetos on Dec 6, 2017 23:20:50 GMT
Ashlynn is a caster I really want but her figure really puts me off ( I understand the Minicrate version of her isn't too bad so ill probably use that to start my resistance ) Though should I just wait for crucible? Have you seen the PP exclusive version? The one where she holds the banner. I think its amazing.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Dec 7, 2017 14:08:03 GMT
Ashlynn is a caster I really want but her figure really puts me off ( I understand the Minicrate version of her isn't too bad so ill probably use that to start my resistance ) Though should I just wait for crucible? Definitely get her before crucible guard comes out. She's a lot of fun. Either get the minicrate version, the con exclusive, or make your own out of bits.
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