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Post by redbaron89 on Nov 5, 2017 2:10:53 GMT
What is everyone using to deal with high armor lists? Im talking baldur 2, kador jack spam, cetrati skorne beast bricks, coc lucant. What casters, units, jacks, and lists is everyone using?
I need a pairing for my haley 3 list. Only other caster i struggle with is issyria. I know its not a brick typically but what is everyone playing into her.
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cadas92
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Post by cadas92 on Nov 6, 2017 19:35:57 GMT
(new guy here)im looking at running siege 1 with 2 defenders, triumph , centurian also a squire (cause extra feat range) squad of steelhead halberdiers , field mechaniks and a squad of longgunners with attachment (im a man of faith) and captian arlan strangewayes to keep those jacks running and its themed heavy metal so solos and mechaniks get repo 3" (why not give the jacks it but what ever)im basicly looking for feat turn scrapping and since siege's feat doesnt state faction only ,thats why im taking the steelhead with him instead of the swordnights plus dont need the UA for steelhead to do a combined attack also did i forget to mention that the defenders in melee knock out cortex's. (still fairly new to warmachine)
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cain
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Post by cain on Nov 6, 2017 20:30:11 GMT
Siege1 is good into armourskew which are multiwound models. Not so good into armour skews which are spam jacks/beasts or dobbel colosses.
My old anti armour is H2 heavy metal with stormwall, add jacks you want and storm strider. She got a nerf but her feat is still good against armies with big battle group.
Stryker2 in a antiarmour list works fine.
Personally i drop H3 with ragman and ayaina\holt into almost every thing. Would drop it into all skorne, but not baldur dobbel garg. Its good against the normal khador builds with 4 heavies and lots of infantry. Against harchevich or karchev all Jack spam you may need another list.
For issyria i tend to do ok with haley3 or you can bust out nemo3.
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gmonkey
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Post by gmonkey on Nov 6, 2017 21:16:11 GMT
Stryker2 in storm division is a great armor cracking list. Everyone complains that the stormblades never make it to the fight, and it's true that their threat range is pretty low, but you can get them up to ARM21 for a round with arcane shield + minifeat, ARM23 vs shooting with deceleration.
When they get there, they hit hard. Those POW13 charges become POW15 with the storm rod, or POW17 with positive charge. On a charge, they hit an ARM18 jack for an average of 9.5 damage each or an ARM20 jack for an average of 7.5 damage each. Assault is a bit higher, and assault with a nearby firefly is best of all.
On Stryker2's feat turn, that's a charge attack plus a regular attack. 3 of them can pretty easily wreck a heavy, and then they've earned the whole unit's point value back.
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Post by mydnight on Nov 6, 2017 21:57:58 GMT
He may not be the most popular caster, but with rhupert allowed in theme, Stryker3 + 2*lances mows down pretty much anything.
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Post by oncouch1 on Nov 7, 2017 3:30:33 GMT
Haley 2
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Nov 8, 2017 9:26:29 GMT
He may not be the most popular caster, but with rhupert allowed in theme, Stryker3 + 2*lances mows down pretty much anything. You spelt Ragman wrong |
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Post by drillbossd on Nov 8, 2017 19:58:52 GMT
He may not be the most popular caster, but with rhupert allowed in theme, Stryker3 + 2*lances mows down pretty much anything. You spelt Ragman wrong They won't crack armor if they don't get there. |
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xadmar
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Post by xadmar on Nov 8, 2017 21:41:51 GMT
I was pretty much running Maddox in Storm Division for my armor cracking.
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Post by snarlyyow on Nov 9, 2017 19:12:26 GMT
I'm not a fan of Siege1 as an arm cracker. His feat helps with the ARM you're facing but does not fight the typical Armor-skew lists. You don't want to drop him in Baldur2, for instance.
Let's talk about the typical armor lists you may or may not see:
Cygnar: 2 units of ARM20 stormlances. An ARM22 Stormwall.
Menoth: Amon
Cryx: Dark Host, two units of Bane Riders
Khador: Any jack heavy list including Kharchev and Harkevich
Retribution: Vyros2/Helynna Jack spam
Convergence: Lucant + Jacks or any caster with 4 units of 8 wound infantry.
Circle: Baldur2 + wolds
Siege1 can play into some of this, like Cygnar and maybe Circle. Also he can prolly do Convergence okay. But if you're facing many jacks beasts with high arm and ARM buffs Siege one cannot do it. As such, I think Siege1 might be a passable Armor drop depending on your opponent's list construction. Otherwise I think you need to look at casters who either support multiple attacks doing high damage on the feat (Maddox, Stryker3, Nemo3) or a caster who can do high damage turn after turn (Stryker3, Stryker2, Siege2, Jakes2).
So let's say you're playing Haley3. She can prolly handle Cryx and maybe Menoth and maybe Retribution and almost certainly the mirror, just be aware of Caine3/Sloan. Nemo3 is a problem but it's unlikely another swan drops Nemo3 into the mirror, especially if you're other list is Storm Division or has a Stormwall/Hurricane.
That means you need to handle Circle/Convergence/Khador. Stryker2 is great into Convergence because Rebuke can make life hell for shield wall troops and the feat can let you make multiple attacks. Stryker2 can also answer some of the Khador bullshittery. Stryker3 will really struggle into Harkevich because the cloud wall makes your feat sad. Maddox can alpha cloud walls pretty good, a Trample and 3 attacks isn't nothing to sneeze at to take down a jack or two. She can also fight the Baldur2 matchup should you see it, army-wide pathfinder is good stuff against Circle. Nemo3 can also fight Circle and Convergence well, his eleaps get less mileage into Khador jack spam, though. I'm not sure about Siege2 because I haven't played him. Jakes 2 still has victim stats to me which makes me sad.
So Haley3 + Stryker2/Nemo3/Maddox seems like your best bet. I'm not a big fan of Nemo3 because you telegraph your mirror drop pretty hard and I see more Cygnar locally then I'd otherwise like.
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