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Post by mydnight on Nov 1, 2017 20:47:22 GMT
So gunslingers at 7 points are mostly better than thorn gun mages and their new character has friggin shadow bind, and a better version of ryan's old magestorm. And they all get run and gun from her.
Will B13, blazers and ATGMs ever get a proper CiD? Critical brutal/blessed should have for example been replaced with heart seeker.
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Post by bluebarren on Nov 1, 2017 22:34:50 GMT
It's definitely not better than mage storm. Its a chain attack, which means firing it into infantry will likely do nothing but kill the models they're shooting at.
I do think that the units getting run and gun even if she dies is crazy, especially considering theyve got signs and potents and 2 shots...
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Nov 1, 2017 23:01:30 GMT
Our Gun Mages are fine, just put them on the table
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Post by mcdermott on Nov 1, 2017 23:09:33 GMT
7 point 3 man 1 wound low arm units are the path to dominance i hear.
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Post by darkangeldentist on Nov 1, 2017 23:19:56 GMT
I'm kind of worried that the wording for Vortex blast appears to be missing the usual "enemy model" clause to prevent using it to extend threat ranges. Taking a POW 12 isn't the best for Cryx jacks but Deathjack doesn't care.
Since it's just the start of CiD I can only hope they are starting high and are going to disembowel them by the end.
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Post by friendlyfire on Nov 1, 2017 23:20:21 GMT
They are good but I don't think they are broken by any means.
As a faction, I think we've got bigger things to worry about than expensive Def 14, single wound models with no real defensive tech as we have a ton of things that can deal with them fairly trivially.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Nov 2, 2017 2:45:47 GMT
7 point 3 man 1 wound low arm units are the path to dominance i hear. That's only the basic requirement for an usable 3 strength unit without utility.
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Post by zich on Nov 2, 2017 9:25:18 GMT
Nice to see I'm not alone in thinking they're pretty bonkers. Run and Gun is crazy and so are the shot types. They seem like a unit designed for a faction that can't debuff their opponents back into the stone age.
Edit: And access to Guidance*Ghost Shot is just shenannigans.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Nov 2, 2017 10:24:34 GMT
At least they don't have feedback anymore
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Post by dazzla on Nov 2, 2017 11:21:34 GMT
I agree that the gunslingers are undercosted (along with many of the other Cryx models) and have said so in the CID forum. Best thing to do is to make your thoughts known in CID - it might make some difference.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Nov 2, 2017 13:40:27 GMT
You pick Gunslingers to focus on when Skarre 3 has Decel to add to carapace in Black Industries? 10pt Slayers become Arm 23 versus guns. How did you land on Gunslingers?
Not to mention guided fire Kraken, ghost shot pirates, and leviathans.
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Post by zich on Nov 2, 2017 13:51:21 GMT
Black Industries is already in the realm of "shooting doesn't work". Adding decel just moves it to "shooting doesn't work at all" tier. I don't see the big deal, as it doesn't change much. It's as if they gave Cryx a bane solo with triple weapon master. It wouldn't matter because they're already obliterating all they touch.
Now S+P/GhostShot guns with two shots on a cheap chassis with DODGE and easy access to Guidance and R+G, THAT is a game changer.
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Post by cygnarstronk on Nov 2, 2017 14:58:04 GMT
Black Industries is already in the realm of "shooting doesn't work". Adding decel just moves it to "shooting doesn't work at all" tier. I don't see the big deal, as it doesn't change much. It's as if they gave Cryx a bane solo with triple weapon master. It wouldn't matter because they're already obliterating all they touch. Now S+P/GhostShot guns with two shots on a cheap chassis with DODGE and easy access to Guidance and R+G, THAT is a game changer. Gotta disagree on the shooting doesn't work. it makes shooting a lot less relevant, but very powerful shooting like Nemo3 during feat can surely do work against a normal BI list. With decel you can take all your shooting and dump it down in the bin, it sounds bad.
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Post by jisidro on Nov 2, 2017 15:18:52 GMT
Nemo3 can e-leap them all(some?) away as none of that applies to leaps?
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Post by mydnight on Nov 2, 2017 23:24:17 GMT
Even ogrun who create cloud walls when shooting seem rather bonkers to me. Basically souped up trenchers. But I brought up the gunslingers and solo here because of its relevance relative to Cygnar. If PP finds that to be an acceptable power level for these kind of units then one can only hope good things when it comes for Sons of the Tempest to have a proper go.
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