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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Sept 26, 2017 9:26:07 GMT
Very surprised with How much circle lost to cryx...never though those match ups would be that bad but dark host must be horrible for us. I think because Circle beasts often rely on defence, and most Dark Host lists are double max Bane Riders, the boosted charge attacks just do them in, even the mat 8 impact attack (with veteran leader) is likely to hit, and it will be pow 14 because of Dark Shroud, and the charge attack is pow 17. Circle beasts just can't stand up to that
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Post by Marcin on Sept 26, 2017 10:06:50 GMT
Can you make a win rate by Faction all factions together?
No1 Cryx 70% No2 faction 2 xx% etc?
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Post by Marcin on Sept 26, 2017 10:31:07 GMT
Also I would love to know what is Haley2 win %?
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Sept 26, 2017 10:57:38 GMT
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Post by regleant on Sept 26, 2017 10:57:38 GMT
Just wanted to quickly chime in about Helynna, as she is one of my favorite Casterd: I played her 3 times this weekend. Once Makeda1 was left on 4 boxes, once Amon toughed and once I lost Vs Nemo3 because of a Lancer Cortexdamaging Hyperion. All 3 games were very much winnable and interesting (shoutout to my very kind and enjoyable opponents). I can't speak for the other losses, but please don't start a flamewar about this, she is fine As for Cryx, while this was a team event which is imo in favour of this faction, the record is still way, way too strong. I hope we can find some reasonable changes to restore the balance, starting with the themes that will drop soon. I think I was your Makeda1 opponent. Speaking of which, she had the highest Winning record of all non-Cryx, non-Grymkin. Go Makeda1!
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Sept 26, 2017 11:59:42 GMT
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Sept 26, 2017 11:59:42 GMT
Also I would love to know what is Haley2 win %? I did this by hand myself, so it might be off, but Haley 2 win rate was 59.3%. Quite good still, which is impressive.
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Post by dragonpup on Sept 26, 2017 12:12:37 GMT
Those Cryx stats are problematic. Hopefully PP is taking note, because a faction having a 67% winrate, and NO faction matchups under 50% winrate is an issue. Especially because it was a strongly represented faction (which usually means a lower winrate, due to a higher volume of less-experienced players) AND it was the bogeyman faction going into WTC list building. Their win rate is 71% if you filter out the Cryx v Cryx mirror matches.
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Sept 26, 2017 12:24:43 GMT
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Post by professorlust on Sept 26, 2017 12:24:43 GMT
I got the data from the website with results (so any mistypes or whatever might mess it up) scraped the data and that made the spreadsheets (I have it go into a form I want ATM trying to get themes as well but since they're not on the results it's more complicated and I didn't have that before, plus work has me doing more work nowadays) As for the data, professor lust, I could email it to you? Or I could try to Google doc but earliest I could do is tomorrow night , and I might be busy then too. I've messaged you my email address
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Sept 26, 2017 12:54:24 GMT
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Post by frejdruk on Sept 26, 2017 12:54:24 GMT
Also I would love to know what is Haley2 win %? I did this by hand myself, so it might be off, but Haley 2 win rate was 59.3%. Quite good still, which is impressive. If it were that high, the pic with win rates by caster would've shown her. unless of course the picture is wrong
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Sept 26, 2017 13:21:13 GMT
As for Cryx, while this was a team event which is imo in favour of this faction, the record is still way, way too strong. I hope we can find some reasonable changes to restore the balance, starting with the themes that will drop soon. Well judging by the fact Cryx are getting Carapace for all heavies, +2" to deployment and free arc nodes in one theme, and Gang Fighter, +2" to deployment in the other, I don't see much prospect of the Cryx Christmas train from ever stopping. I can just about build a list to cover Ghost Fleet and Dark Host (Siege 1), I am royally screwed though if I have to factor in those other themes.
At least in Mk2 the Cryx question was only 'can you kill lots of dudes?', now it can range from:
- Can you kill lots of dudes - Do you have reliable ranged RFP - Do you ignore stealth and/or clouds with high pow guns - Can you deal with Carapace Heavies
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Post by Aegis on Sept 26, 2017 13:28:17 GMT
I did this by hand myself, so it might be off, but Haley 2 win rate was 59.3%. Quite good still, which is impressive. If it were that high, the pic with win rates by caster would've shown her. unless of course the picture is wrong Yeah, if the previous shown stats were correct she is under the 55% win rate.
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Post by ziggyqubert on Sept 26, 2017 13:50:14 GMT
Anyone know what scenarios were played in the different rounds? Trying to get the WTC games into the battle reporter and cant find that info anywere
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Sept 26, 2017 14:10:59 GMT
I would argue in the case of Helyna that it may show an issue with her. As for legion, its the same old same old, oracles wins and anything that isn't oracles is mediocre. Ret is a pretty strong faction so I do not think the faction as a whole has issues. What concerns me more is just how much Cryx is stomping the meta. It is a crazy gap. The casters in question aren't the worst in the game, or they wouldn't show up at the WTC in the first place. That said: 3 Legion in the bottom 15, 3 Retribution in the bottom 15, 3 Protectorate in the bottom 16, and casters like Sevvy2 and Kaelyssa in the bottom of the rankings? To me that says there are factors at play beyond just games played. Quality of some of the players who chose these factions maybe, team tactics almost certainly. Ragnor lost every game, and I don't think the problem is him.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Sept 26, 2017 14:15:44 GMT
Deleted some clearly flamebait comments by a "Guest".
It should go unsaid that if people start to abuse the "Guest" system to make "anonymus" flaming posts, we will just get rid of the Guest system, for everyone loss. Honestly, I wish you would.
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Post by pangurban on Sept 26, 2017 14:23:25 GMT
The casters in question aren't the worst in the game, or they wouldn't show up at the WTC in the first place. That said: 3 Legion in the bottom 15, 3 Retribution in the bottom 15, 3 Protectorate in the bottom 16, and casters like Sevvy2 and Kaelyssa in the bottom of the rankings? To me that says there are factors at play beyond just games played. Quality of some of the players who chose these factions maybe, team tactics almost certainly. Ragnor lost every game, and I don't think the problem is him. All four of them. Not saying it's not a bad showing, but I prefer the ranking with casters who got used at least five times. The format already skews the numbers, looking at less than a handful of games is all but meaningless.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Sept 26, 2017 14:25:33 GMT
Alternatively, the tech to cryx was "we don't need to beat cryx if we beat everyone else" Send the person with no good matchup to fight cryx, essentially. This is entirely speculation and has a similar takeaway: if the tech vs cryx in a team event is to lose to cryx and beat everyone else, then there's a problem. Even then, Cryx is once again requiring special consideration in tourney prep above and beyond any other faction. Hell, this is regardless of what factions you are playing. You want to see something funny? Right here on this very site, on the Cryx forum, there is a thread about how to beat other Cryx players, because even some of them are struggling with that. And it's one thing if you say, "Well I'd be worried about Circle if I were playing my Khador, but if I play my Trollblood lists, those are actually not bad there, so I'm more worried about Cryx." It's quite another if EVERYONE has to worry about Cryx, worse still if we all have to go back to tooling one of our two lists just to deal with them.
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